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Offline klp1569

  • hixson, tn
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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2011, 09:36:52 PM »
I tried the jumper and if I did it correctly, I still did not get anything from the starter. I have not found the ground yet, still looking. Any chance someone might be willing to come and have a quick look at the car? Thanks...

Offline travisyoung

Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2011, 06:43:33 AM »
sounds like a bad starter, you could remove it and take it to one of the auto parts stores for free testing, or you could bring it by village vw and i will test it.  To covered up to make a house call, or you could jump it off and cruise by

Offline dubtech

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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2011, 06:41:43 PM »
Check the voltage on the battery or have it tested.

Offline klp1569

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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2011, 01:00:02 PM »
That is what I was thinking of doing. I am going to take it back to Autozone and have it tested this weekend. I did check the voltage on the battery and it was good, but I am going to have it checked as well. As soon as I can get it running, I'l bring it by and let you have a look. I have plenty of questions regarding other things that I m seeing with the car.

Thanks again for all of the help and suggestions and I will follow up once I get the starter and battery tested.

Offline klp1569

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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2011, 07:08:43 PM »
OK, got the starter to crank. I was misunderstanding the placement of the wire from the ignition coil. I have only one wire coming to the starter and since it was originating from the coil I was following the manuals' direction to place it on the left terminal. Switched it to the right terminal and it cranks now.

However, I am back to the problem I was having when I purchased it. It takes many tries to finally start. I have checked all of the vacuum hoses and they are all attached. Put new spark plugs in tonight. I am going to change out the fuel filter tomorrow and go ahead and put a new air filter in as well. The fuel pump seems to be working, can hear prime and the car will have momentary running then die. Wondering if the O2 sensor might need replacing. Also, could it possibly be the distributor and or ignition coil?  Once again, all/any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks...

Offline 74loaf

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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2011, 10:13:53 AM »
check your pm's. I would be interested in taking a look at it today if your not busy.

Offline dubtech

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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2011, 10:29:57 AM »
Is the car Digifant or CIS?  Electrical connectors on the fuel injectors = Digifant, braided metal lines to the injectors = CIS.

Offline klp1569

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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2011, 10:41:37 AM »
Today would work anytime before 6 if you want to come by. My number is 423-595-4487, feel free to call.

The car is a CSI.

Offline klp1569

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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2011, 09:17:09 PM »
To the earlier post, the car is CIS.

Still no luck.

Thanks Robert for coming over today and for all of your help. I will be more than happy to return the favor.

Travis, thanks again for the suggestions. Robert and I were still unable to get it started. It wants to but just not quite there. Not sure what the next step is in trying to figure this out. We both believe that it is a fuel issue. We are getting gas and pressure to the fuel filter, but after that not sure. Is there any possible way I could get you to come out to Hixson and have a look at it, at your convenience? I would be more than happy to bring it to you but I am unable to do so until I can get it running. Thanks...

Offline travisyoung

Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2011, 10:21:27 PM »
dubtech would be the expert, i know that the plate that allows air flow can get stuck sometimes,  also if it has been sitting that can allow gunk to build up in the fuel distrubuter

Offline 74loaf

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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2011, 10:44:00 PM »
I was thinking there is gunk in the fuel distributor or injectors themselves... We noticed when changing out the fuel filter that the exit side had some junk in it (the gas coming out of that side was very brown.. couldnt see through it at all when we poured it into a container)The entrance side of the filter was clean. And we verified that the system does have pressure (at least at the filter). 

It fires right up for a few seconds when we add fuel to the intake ourselves, but on its own it does nothing.

So thats where we currently are on it.

Offline klp1569

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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2011, 03:52:11 PM »
This might be a stupid question but is there a way of checking the air flow plate or cleaning the fuel distributor with something (i.e. fluid) without having to break it down first? Would it be a good idea to replace the braided fuel lines with new ones? Thanks again, guys.

Offline dubtech

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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2011, 05:27:50 PM »
If the fuel lines aren't leaking, they're ok.  First step would be to get rid of the bad gas - CIS cars don't like any sort of rust or other contamination in the fuel.  If the car sat for a while the tank may be rusted and will need to be fixed before you do anything else.

You can test the plate on the fuel distributor pretty easily.  Take the intake boot off and lift the plate with a magnet.  Just don't do it with the key on since raising the plate will send fuel through the injectors and can flood the engine or if you get enough in there hydro-lock it.  Another thing to check for since you'll have the boot off is rips/tears in the boot at the throttle body and fuel distributor ends.

Offline travisyoung

Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2011, 07:37:52 PM »
i had a cis cabrio show up at my door with a hard/long start and then it started over heating quickly, gonna check the head gasket first and pressure check the cooling system

Offline klp1569

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Re: 1989 Cabriolet Not Starting Problem?

« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2011, 09:27:22 PM »
Thanks guys.

I will double check the lines, but pretty sure that they are not leaking. I'll test the plate tomorrow pm and post results.

What would be the best way to drain the gas and clean the tank?

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