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Offline Zen

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #105 on: June 14, 2011, 07:11:16 PM »
The post my friend needs is on the left side . . . circled in red in the picture below . . .

uhhh.. earlier you said on the passenger side... now you say left side... which is it?

I have cut out this piece thinking it was the one he needed. The other that is already out...might be a little bit mangled.... ::)

OK, so I'm a little dyslexic.  When I said passenger side, I "Meant" driver's side.  :-[

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #106 on: June 14, 2011, 08:48:29 PM »
The roof is leaning up against the basketball goal on the right in the last picture. Its in perfect shape. No rusty gutters or nothing...wanna convert the loaf into a camper?!?!? I'll give you a roof!

hmmm now that is an idea....  8)

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #107 on: June 15, 2011, 11:07:42 AM »
The post my friend needs is on the left side . . . circled in red in the picture below . . .

uhhh.. earlier you said on the passenger side... now you say left side... which is it?

I have cut out this piece thinking it was the one he needed. The other that is already out...might be a little bit mangled.... ::)

OK, so I'm a little dyslexic.  When I said passenger side, I "Meant" driver's side.  :-[

Ok, well that'll be ok. I think I cut the other one out without much or any damage.

The roof is leaning up against the basketball goal on the right in the last picture. Its in perfect shape. No rusty gutters or nothing...wanna convert the loaf into a camper?!?!? I'll give you a roof!

hmmm now that is an idea....  8)

Don't cost much...heck, I'll even deliver it for free too!

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #108 on: June 15, 2011, 07:03:34 PM »
hey nick,
i will come arround as soon as friederike leaves back to germany. :)

thanks!

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #109 on: June 16, 2011, 12:47:02 AM »
Thats fine. No worries. Hope ya'll are having fun being tourists!

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #110 on: October 06, 2011, 11:12:51 PM »
Ok, so Megan saw a bus that she would rather have and we are debating what to do. The other one is a fully restored 71 westy that has new paint, interior, canvas, seals, brakes...etc... The price is reasonable, but not a steal. So now I'm in a pickle. I need to talk to a rust repairer about what it would take to get Penelope buttoned up. It needs a lot of the basic rust belt replaced, but not all of it. The biggest concern is a piece of frame that has turned see-through. I have a spare frame (from the bus I parted out) that can be used for donor metal, but I need a brave soul.

I know Rick has taken a "repair-other's-stuff" hiatus, so who does that leave that the local folks trust for pretty welding/ fabricating/ rust repair? I'm not looking for a perfect show car restoration, but I don't want a hack job either. I've looked at a handful of the repair shops and I'm considering taking pictures to the Bugs and Brats cruise in to see what Spook says. Does anyone know of any local folks that are reasonable and decent?

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #111 on: October 07, 2011, 05:59:39 PM »
Ok, so Megan saw a bus that she would rather have and we are debating what to do. The other one is a fully restored 71 westy that has new paint, interior, canvas, seals, brakes...etc... The price is reasonable, but not a steal. So now I'm in a pickle. I need to talk to a rust repairer about what it would take to get Penelope buttoned up. It needs a lot of the basic rust belt replaced, but not all of it. The biggest concern is a piece of frame that has turned see-through. I have a spare frame (from the bus I parted out) that can be used for donor metal, but I need a brave soul.

I know Rick has taken a "repair-other's-stuff" hiatus, so who does that leave that the local folks trust for pretty welding/ fabricating/ rust repair? I'm not looking for a perfect show car restoration, but I don't want a hack job either. I've looked at a handful of the repair shops and I'm considering taking pictures to the Bugs and Brats cruise in to see what Spook says. Does anyone know of any local folks that are reasonable and decent?
At least its a 71. A good year. Penelope would be history, I mean history.

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #112 on: October 08, 2011, 10:27:59 AM »
71's are one of my favorite years of bay, better looking bumpers/signals/tail lights and disc brakes :)

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #113 on: October 08, 2011, 12:03:55 PM »
I like the early bays because they are type 1 powered (easier and cheaper to work on).  71 was the last year for that, and it was the only year for a type 1 dual port . . . a lot of people would disagree with me, but if I'm gonn'a have a type 1 powered bus, I'd rather it be a single port.  I've run both in Homer the Super Bus and single ports seem to have more bottom end torque and hold up a little better than dual ports.  On the down side to early bays . . . the Westy camper package on the later bays beats the ones on the early bays hands down.

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #114 on: October 08, 2011, 01:01:21 PM »
I am planning the type 1 conversion and Eike is supposedly sourcing the European tin for me  ;D ;D So it will be a nice clean conversion. The engine I am planning on putting in there is a single port, but I need to go over it first and make sure all the little tin is on it (noticed that the deflectors weren't on it when I was under it one day...). I've read up on the discussion between a SP and a DP for a bay and the best explanation I could find was that the smaller carb and intake force the air to speed up. When the air is moving faster, it creates more torque as opposed to slower moving air. It seems to make sense to me.

I have found a guy who does VW rust repair, but its kinda far to travel. I really just want to get a few things fixed up and live with the others for a while. Other people I have written have told me that the rust was terminal or they couldn't price it without me dragging it to their shop which is hours away.

I'll ask around tonight at the cruise in.

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #115 on: October 09, 2011, 05:45:16 PM »
Why don't you ask Justin about the tin. He has already done that on the van that burned up at his house fire.

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #116 on: October 09, 2011, 06:42:06 PM »
A type 1 conversion sounds like it would be cheaper, but ask Zen how many engines he's put in Homer so far. I think he's up to 4 or 5. If you want a type 1 powered bus, I think it would be better to get one that was originally type 1 powered, like that '71. It'll be way more original than a bastardized '74, and therefore worth more if it's left stock. Are there any photos of it? If you can get it at any type of reasonable price, it's definitely going to hold its value.

If you're more interested in the utility and less in the originality, a later model Westy is going to be a better choice. The camper configuration is more ideal, and you get a nice bed up top rather than a cot.

There's no reason to hunt down the Euro tin when you can get the fiberglass kit from Creative Car Craft. This is what Justin did on his camper and it's a great option. If you didn't know it was converted, you'd think it was a stock engine it looked so good.

Either way you go, you're gonna spend a ton of money so you might as well figure out what's more important. Personally, I'd consider bodywork and rust repair more expensive and difficult than mechanical, so I'd pick a bus that's got the straightest, most rust-free body and start there.

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #117 on: October 09, 2011, 11:34:05 PM »
A type 1 conversion sounds like it would be cheaper, but ask Zen how many engines he's put in Homer so far. I think he's up to 4 or 5.

Russ is correct.  I've put several engines in Homer . . . but if you don't understand what they were and why they were replaced, you could get the wrong idea.

Engine #1 - 1600 single port: Buillt with junk parts from 3 other engines.  I had a total of $40 invested in it.  Ran the dog poop out of it for 15,000 miles.  Spit a rod cap out the top of the block after pushing the bus at or near 75 mph for 3 hours solid.

Engine #2 - 1600 single port:  Bought it used for $75 and bolted it in as-is. It had been removed because it was "worn out."  Ran the dog poop out of it for 25,000 miles.  Broke the #3 exhaust valve at the end of a 150 mile trip stuck in 4th gear.  The valve broke as I started down the back side of a mountain after lugging it up the other side.  Coasted the last 5 miles down the mountain and stopped right across the road from the Southeastern Bug Fair where I installed engine #3.

Engine #3 – 1600 dual port:  Bought a “freshened up” long block for $400 at a swap meet (valves lapped, cylinders honed and new rings installed, case wasn’t split).  Bought all the tin at the swap meet for another $50 and installed it with borrowed tools in the horse arena at the Stevens County Fair Grounds.  Ran the dog poop out of it for 20,000 miles.  It started developing excessive end play, so I pulled it and replaced it with an engine that I had build right from the ground up.  This old engine is still waiting on me to get motivated and rebuild it.

Engine #4: - 1600 single port:  This one was done right.  Line board, all new bearings, crank and cam were used by checked out perfect, new pistons/cylinders, and new exhaust valves, new oil pump, new push rod tubes, etc.  Thanks to some help from the Godfather, I was able to source all the new parts for under $200.  Ran the dog poop out of it for 10,000 miles and thought I had burnt it up by running it lean due to a vacuum leak.  When I tore it down, I found that it was fine, other than two broke head studs.  Guess I should have used new head studs too!  It was in the process of going back together when it got stolen.

Engine #5 – 1600 dual port:  Bought it used for $200. The seller had bought it to help out a friend and all he knew about it was that it was supposed to be a good one.  It has been.  In the last 4 years, I’ve been to Effingham twice with it, once towing a trailer.  My last road trip was from LaFayette, to Huntsville (Decatur), to Murfreesboro, to Knoxville and back to LaFayette in less than 48 hours.

So, while I have put 5 engines in Homer in the past 10 years, I’m still out less than 1000 bucks on all of them combined.

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #118 on: October 10, 2011, 03:36:34 PM »
I'm going with the type 1. I've got an extra one already and it runs, so that's already been decided. I also have two type 4s, but I'm not terribly interested in dumping money into them.

I'm with Zen: I'd rather build 5 engines that I know how to work on and can afford or find at a show, than dump 3k into freshening up a type 4 for a few years. Besides, my transmission has already ben swapped out with an earlier one, so it has the better gearing for a type 1.

As for the rust repair/body work thing- we were looking at a '71 that was super nice and very solid, but we got to talking about what it would take to get ours solid and it should be well below half of the other one. I realize that Penelope is probably not going to be put back to showroom condition and I'm ok with that. I just want a bus I can drive and camp in. I would like to preserve it so that someone may one day curse me as a PO and bring it back to life. We have considered throwing in the towel and hauling her off, but I can't quite get myself to that point.

In looking at others, we saw a bunch that were so stock that we would feel back personalizing it. I like the idea of switching around the cabinets or just omitting some of them for extra space. Heck, it would be nice to get a set of cabinets like Brian put in his bus without worrying about devaluing an already nice bus.

We will see. Penelope is kinda organic so she will take her own course....

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Re: 1974 Westfalia "Penelope"

« Reply #119 on: October 10, 2011, 08:27:48 PM »
Well that's convenient if you have the skill and time to build engines every few years. I have neither, so I'd rather put a little money into an engine that will last me a really long time to begin with. Otherwise, paying someone to rebuild my engines all the time would add up quick!

Get the Creative Car Craft tin if you build the '74. This is the only photo of Justin's engine I could find.


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