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Offline travisyoung

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« on: February 07, 2009, 07:55:00 AM »
Saw this on ebay, if your don't like to put gas in your beetle, you can trade up.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320338743170&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=

Offline jrcnova

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 08:11:19 AM »
To me, that is just something to cost you MORE money when it breaks down.  And a range of 25-35 miles?  I live 20 miles from anything cool.  I would either make it where I am going and not return, or never make it.  Sounds to me like a waste of time and money.

Offline travisyoung

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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 08:22:51 AM »
Theer is just something about the sound of an aircooled motor,  one of the salesman told me the he had a customer that bought a new beetle and the only complaint was that it did not have a vw sound, she went and bought a cd of a aircooled beetle running,  (don't know for sure that this is a true story)

Offline jrcnova

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2009, 08:31:09 AM »
That is diehard to me!

Offline Smelly_Cat

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2009, 10:58:38 AM »
I like it.  I have 9 miles to work. I could use it every day.  I might  even hear the radio with out  the piston slapping, valve rattling, muffler lacking  air cooled engine.  SC

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 11:46:58 AM »
What a waste of a nice Bug.   Mark my word, electric ain't the answer. For one reason, Why would anybody spend $30,000- $40,000 for a "cracker box" that won't go much pass 20 or 30 miles without the little gas engine to charge the battery up or have to charge the battery for 8 hours after you get home,if you get home. My Father was a "Die Hard" electrical Engineer and he said this idea wouldn't "fly" until someone came up with decent batterys. This was 30 years ago and they are still a very long way off. I won't live long enough to see this, but maybe some of you Kids will.
       In this mornings auto section of the FreePress ,there is a article about Kia is going to put a new gadget on their cars to make the engine stop running whenever you stop,say at a traffic light .  I hate to burst Kias bubble but VW did this to some Rabbits back in the early 80's on a car called a "Fuel Meister"
      This worked OK until owners started to raise hell about having  to replace a $180.00 starter motor every few months.
      Hell fire !!  If you want this feature just put a 34mm PICT-4 on your car . A whole lot cheaper. :lol:  :lol:  :?

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2009, 04:00:07 PM »
Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"
In this mornings auto section of the FreePress ,there is a article about Kia is going to put a new gadget on their cars to make the engine stop running whenever you stop,say at a traffic light.  I hate to burst Kias bubble but VW did this to some Rabbits back in the early 80's on a car called a "Fuel Meister"
This worked OK until owners started to raise hell about having to replace a $180.00 starter motor every few months.
Hell fire !! If you want this feature just put a 34mm PICT-4 on your car . A whole lot cheaper.


I've got an even better system on my S-10.  When the rust gets packed tight enough in the fuel filter, it will cut off every time you stop . . . and about half the time you are going.  I can clear the "problem" up by changing the fuel filter, but my gas milage drops by 4-5 MPG.  If I could just figure out how to brace my neck so I won't get whiplash, I'd go into business selling the system.  I've got PLENTY of rust around here, so my raw materials wouldn't cost much . . .  :lol:

Offline Russ

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2009, 07:58:44 PM »
Other than the cost and the size of the batteries, why isn't electric feasible? I'm ten miles to work as well as most places in town. A gas powered car is less fuel efficient during short trips in stop and go traffic, not to mention the engine wears faster if it doesn't warm up to operating temp. There's no reason I couldn't use something like this for my daily commute, trips to Wal-Mart, etc. and keep it charged overnight. I just don't need all that horsepower. Save the gas car for highway driving and longer trips.

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2009, 01:01:28 AM »
Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"
My Father was a "Die Hard" electrical Engineer and he said this idea wouldn't "fly" until someone came up with decent batterys. This was 30 years ago and they are still a very long way off.


We are really not that far off on the batteries.  The "decent batteries" are already out there.  Now "decent batteries" that a working man could actually afford to buy, that may still be years away.   :?   What is just around the corner is hydrogen powered fuel cells.  We are looking into them to power our electric pallet trucks at work.  There is a company that makes a fuel cell that is the same size as our current batteries and it puts out a steady 24 volts DC from start to finish.  It has a small hydrogen tank that takes about 30 seconds to fill.  On a full tank it will run the truck as long or longer than a fully charged lead/acid battery.  They cost about three times as much as the battery they replace, but since it takes two batteries per truck (one in use, one charging) to keep our trucks going 24/7, and the fuel cell life is supposed to be 3 times longer than a battery, in theory, they should be cheaper in the long run.  However, you have to invest a small fortune in the hydrogen storage/distribution system.

If the hydrogen infastructure were in place like our petrolium infastructure is now, you would probably see gasoline powered cars go out of production within a decade.

And by the way, that has to be one of the cleanest EV conversion I've ever seen!  It has enough speed and power . . . but like all EVs powered by lead/acid batteies, it's range is the big downfall.  I guess if you wanted to increase your range, you could always make it a hybred . . . just put a gas powered generator on a vintage roof rack and take off!   :lol:

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2009, 10:37:06 AM »
It all boils down to price and range.   I also think the fuel cell is a far better deal.    I wonder what happened to the freon engine which is better yet ?

Offline Smelly_Cat

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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2009, 12:32:22 PM »
i think we would be fine with 25 -50%  of all cars being  electric.   It will hurt some businesses  since all the jiffy lubes will close and the spare parts bizness will collapse.  The Electric Companies will love it. Oil Companies will take a beating. Advance and Autozone will have a disappear. So there are some big Lobbies against any Grand scale EV's.   All you need to extend the range is a little 5-10 HP gas engine running a generater.  Most of the time 30 Miles is fine.  Go to the mall,   Plug into a quick charger   while you shop.   Drive home   Plug up.  Beats the heck on stepping in a puddle gas at the gas station.   I got a Roomba Vacuum and it finds its charger when its done cleaning floors.  Maybe My ev's charger can scoot out and hook up  when I park at Home.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2009, 05:19:33 PM »
S.C. You will be dust before that will happen.   Roomba Vacumn ? Sounds like some kind of Terrorist. :?  :?

Offline Bugnut

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2009, 07:46:27 AM »
To heck with all that lectric stuff if gas mileage and a insanely small car is your thing there's a Real Cooper Mini for sale on Hixson pike. :lol: I say real because I dont consider the BMW mini a cooper! :roll:

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2009, 05:45:25 PM »
Quote from: "Smelly_Cat"
Oil Companies will take a beating.


Electricity has to come from somewhere.  It can be from water, wind or solar which are free for the taking . . . well, after you pay a small fortune for the equipment to capture it and convert it.  It can be from atomic energy which is cheap . . . after you have paid a HUGE fortune for the equipment to control it and convert it.  The reality is that the vast majority of our electricity comes from oil or it's close cousin, coal.  If we go to 25% electric cars on the road in the next couple of years, their business will change a lot, but the big oil companies will still be doing well.  They won't start hurting until we are generating most of electric power from water, wind and solar sources and we are powering most of our cars with hydrogen.

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2009, 08:05:11 AM »
I saw a gut who had a short bug on the web that was electric he had a soar rig at his house and business to power his toy. He made the same point it doesnt do anygood if you dont power it up for free. :lol:

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