See Herb, This is what I meant when I said : "Priming The Pump". I just love it when someone starts something you know is going to create some kind of input, hostle , friendly, threats, etc. It just goes to show you how VW folks will defend their faithful steeds to the death. It also show that a lot people really do pay attention to whats written . I will say this, When you have worked on them as long as I did and when you showed up for work on Monday morning staring at maybe 5-6 Beetles and then 15 vans with blown engines,transmission,fires, electrical problems etc.etc. It makes for a Rolaid Day. Other than that,They are great . Did I mention that I owned 2 vans? A `64-`69. I wish that I had the `64 back. Its name was "ol Bio-degradable" . The things this van pulled on me would make Homer look like a amature. ](*,)