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The problem with "modern" cars...

« on: June 15, 2005, 09:47:39 AM »
They're too quiet, too smooth, and too powerful. They don't feel like they're going nearly as fast as they are,and because of that, drivers who don't know any better drive too fast and too hard, thinking that somehow traction control or anti-locks will magically save the day when their 200 pound butt writes a check that their 4-ton sport-ute can't cash.

 When I worked at Marshall Mize we had to walk past the body shop waiting area and we averaged about 2 new Mustang customers a week, all damaged in the front, because their GT(ruck) engine was more than their Fairmont chassis and brakes could handle (and obviously more than their driver could handle). Modern cars are enablers that lull drivers into a false sense of security, putting them in situations that they don't have the skills to get themselves out of!

Lets get back to the days and cars that made speed feel like speed. Get in a Beetle with a 1/4 full gas tank and feel the nose start to lift above 70. You know you're going fast and that's fast enough, thank you. Pilot a bus on the interstate with a 15mph crosswind that causes you to turn the wheel 1/4 turn to the left just to keep going straight.  Drive a Thing, period.

Let's put the fear factor back in driving, people! Metal dashes for everyone! No airbags, put spikes in the center of the steering wheel! No seatbelts and a well-Armor-All-ed bench seat that will slide you out the passenger door if you take a left too fast!
4-inch Bias-ply!
Gunsight hood ornaments..!
Drum brakes..!
Chrome dashboard glare...!
Corvairs for everybody..!
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Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2005, 11:39:18 AM »
Hey !  You forgot the 18 wheelers that shouldn`t  be able to go over 45 mph on flat ground and 6 mph up Mount Eagle while the driver is standing  out on the running board with the hand throttle pulled all the way out. Then the air cooled VW drivers could re-live a game of the past which was trying to see if you could pass the truck before he got to the next hill or if the truck could run 70 mph flat out and your Bug would do 72 mph, how long and how many miles would it take to pass the Dude on a 2 lane hi-way. Great Sport !  Have you ever heard a 1200 40 hp bug turn 6500 rpm in 3rd gear ?    How about NO A/C, Put vent windows back in the cars so you could have some kind of ventilation by opening all the way around.  This would enable you and your passingers to enjoy nature at the fullest by starting their very own collection of what nature has to offer like Bees, Beetles, Bugs and the occasional compacted bird or Hoot owl or even a half digested hamburger that some rug-rat puked out the window in the car just in front of you. Wouldn`t you just love it when your wife or S.O. drags your soggy.nature covered butt out of the car after 500 miles in 90 degree heat at the $8.00  Motel ?  AH, The good old days. Hmmmmm.

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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2005, 03:47:25 PM »
Anthony- What has prompted the above? Did someone in a new vehicle run you off the road ? Were you ranting and raving or just meerly making a suggestion......... :?:  :?

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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2005, 04:53:48 PM »
No ,He got a year older and discovered that a lot of  Num-Nuts with a lot of money and no talent behind the wheel of some guided missile that he couldn`t  keep "twix" the lines . :lol:

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2005, 12:35:19 PM »
:shock: Been There Before...Yup! Nothin like stupid young punk wannabe think-they-can drive leadfoot no-paying attention drivers :twisted:

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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2005, 03:07:45 PM »
Mainly just ranting to stir something up on the board. It's not just the young leadfoots, it's anyone that feels comfortable enough in a 3000 lb. semi-guided missle to eat, talk on a cell, drink coffee, work on a laptop, or any combination of the above. These can only be people who have never hit anything bigger than a squirrel with their car before. When you do wreck, you learn to respect!

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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2005, 04:15:54 PM »
[-( Don't you just love the one's who read a novel--------------WHILE THEY DRIVE!!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2005, 11:32:09 PM »
Quote from: "Anthony"
When you do wreck, you learn to respect!


I agree with the rest of what you are saying . . . but I wouldn't be so sure about that last statement.  Some people NEVER learn.

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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2005, 05:46:27 PM »
There's a lot to be said for cars that are fun to drive within the speed - limit. You can't have fun running through a few gears in most the new cars and be close to legal speed. My advice to my sons on driving has always been to leave room for the other guy to do the stupidest thing possible - unfortunatly it's becoming ever more difficult to anticipate just how stupid a move some are likely to pull ! At least a hopped up ghia would let you know to slow when directional control became a fond memory  :D

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2005, 10:28:05 AM »
O`yeah ! The directional control thing. I learned about this while TRYING to autocross a Porche 930 Turbo (not mine Dang it).  A 90 Degree turn became a 180 or a 360+ if you got a little "Happy" with the right pedal at the wrong time. I saw the results of this very thing about 15 years ago when a 16 year old girl ended her career by trying out the curves off Bailey Ave up to the Missionary Ridge Tunnel in a 911 Turbo that was a graduation gift from her parents the day before. The police figured she was a little over 100 mph at the time. She BACKED through 2 small trees,across the 2 lane on-coming lanes and then over a bank onto a church parking lot about 100 yards away
     The point is, if you think a" Stern Heavy Schooner with to much sail" is always going to give you plenty of warning before the "break away", you are very wrong. The sad thing is that there are a lot of Kids out driving cars that will jump up and bite them that do not have a clue what to do. Do they even care ? Do the parents care ? Why do some parents buy their children such autos ?
  I raised 2 kids and put them in old Volvo tanks and they made it. One child had a perfect record, the other one destroyed everything she ran into. That poor old Volvo looked like it went through the Gulf War. Nobody was ever  hurt thank goodness. =D>

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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2005, 11:22:16 AM »
Speaking of speed,cars,and accidents. Did anyone watch the special on the National Geographic Channel? Yesterday they had were showing about the Autobahn. How it was built, all the electronics to run it, how the Polizi catch speeders. It was really interesting. Tha concrete pad is 27" thick compared to the U.S. interstate pads which are 12-14" thick. WOW!! They also said that there are 6,000 deaths per year. That sounds like alot, but when you compare that to our interstate system that is lower than the U.S. :wink:

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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2005, 03:00:05 AM »
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[-( Don't you just love the one's who read a novel--------------WHILE THEY DRIVE!!!!!

About... two months or three, most likely more, back I was riding with I'm pretty sure my father in the Vanagonagon when we spied a guy in a delivery van holding a laptop in one hand and the steering wheel in the other. He was watching a film (couldn't tell you the name, hard to see) as he was driving.

I'm a safe driver, thankfully. And even when I drove The Beast I only had a few problems, mostly with the car. I think some of these things they put on cars nowadays to make them safer are good but also make the drivers dangerous. eg: I'm too used to power antilock brakes to drive a Bus.

It's kinda funny. All of these things we do to save our lives when we or someone else screws up. Accidents, all accidents, can be avoided.

Fun fact of the day: the Bus is the safest vehicle you can possibly be in during a headon collision as long as you don't touch the brakes. In an old saftey crash test our beloved type 2 left with only minor injuries after totalling the then safest car on the road, which at the time was a Volvo.

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2005, 10:44:02 PM »
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Fun fact of the day: the Bus is the safest vehicle you can possibly be in during a head-on collision as long as you don't touch the brakes. In an old safety crash test our beloved type 2 left with only minor injuries after totaling the then safest car on the road, which at the time was a Volvo.


I'm not too sure about that one . . . I drive a bus (well, I used to drive a bus and as soon as I get off my butt and put the engine in, I will again).  When I'm cruising down the interstate at about 50 RPMs past red line and look down at my toes I can see the backside of headlight bucket is a little further back than the tips of my toes.  If I was to hit something, the bumper is the first line of defense.  Anything that gets past the bumper is going to be brought to an abrupt stop by my toes.  What makes a bus safe is I know that.  I gotta drive like my life depends on how I drive . . . because it does.  I can't trust the other guy to do what he should, I gotta believe that he is going to do the stupidest thing possible and be ready for it.

The problem with modern cars is they are like a bottle of old tequila . . . they mess with your ability to reason.  Drink a bottle of tequila or spend enough time behind the air-bag equipped steering wheel of a 4 ton SUV that the salesman convinced you will protect you from anything short of an atom bomb . . . it doesn't take long before you believe your Superman.  Your faster than a speeding bullet, stronger than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound . . . 10 feet tall and bullet proof . . . etc.  That kind of thinking will get you killed and can take a lot of innocent folks along with you.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2005, 09:06:06 AM »
Kinda hard to top that one Zen, but When I was at Southland VW , we lost our `64 shuttle bus to a head-on with a Buick at Hickory Valley and Lee Hy-way. The Bus was stopped to turn left on to Hickory Valley and a south-bound Buick in the wrong lane slid about 100 ft into the Bus ,spining it around about 2 times(witnesses said) ejecting the pass/cust. Killing him instantly. The Van driver and the front cowl ended up sitting about where the first  row of seats use to be. The roof stayed on and did not have a scatch in it.  Both of the drivers legs were up over his shoulders so help me God. He lived. We got up there before they cut the driver out.  Even the transmission was compacted. Every window and glass flew out and the side doors were on top of each other. I have a photo of that Van somewhere. I have not ever forgotten that scene.
   Skunk, I`m happy you made it ,BUT I will take my chances in my Volvo.
    Wasn`t it  Eastwood that said : A man has got to know his limitations.
  I think this should apply to his car/van also.  I now drive like somebody is always trying to do the "Kamikaze" number on me.

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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2005, 10:20:39 AM »
The Volvo is still better. What's your first instinct going to be when getting into an accident? The thing that makes the Bus that safe is if you don't press the brakes. Otherwise the front end dips down and you rip your legs off whenever you hit something.

I wonder if the number of accidents as compared to the number of cars on the road bell curves. In the begining when there were only ten or twenty cars in the country I bet there were a lot of accidents. Then as people became familiar with them the number lowered. But now everyone wants to drive fast. Accidents went up and now we need all of this saftey crap to keep people alive. Which just makes people drive worse.

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