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'84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« on: May 28, 2012, 06:08:04 PM »
I have been thinking I had problem with the rear brakes on my S-10.  The left rear wheel locks down when it's parked sometimes.  If you rock it back and forth it will pop and start rolling.  It's been getting worse, so I went and got new wheel cylinders, shoes and a spring kit and started to tear into it.

I don't think it's the brakes.  :o  I think the wheel bearing is shot.  The wheel will move in and quite a bit and up and down a little.  ::)    Best I can tell, you have to remove the differential cover, remove a clip ring and pull the axle out, then use a slide hammer to pull the old bearing and seal then drive new ones in.  I've got a Haynes manual for it somewhere . . . as usual, when I need it, I can't find it.  Has anyone ever replaced a rear wheel bearing on an S-10?  Any tips or advice?

OR . . .Does anyone have an early S-10 rear axle laying around?  Looks like it would be real easy to swap out the whole unit.

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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2012, 07:27:55 PM »
You have to pull it (diff cover and c clip).  I did it once and it is a nasty oily pain to do...  Change the diff oil while there (I bet you'll be surprised to it's condition...)
The design didn't change much between the 88 s-10 and the 47 thriftmaster rear end I had to pull once...
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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 03:49:09 PM »
It's never easy.  It looked pretty simple in Autozone's online manual, but I ran into a BIG problem right off the bat . . . well on step 5 anyway.

5.Remove the rear pinion shaft lock bolt and the pinion shaft from the differential. (see picture below).

Someone else has been in this thing before.  There wasn't a seal on the differential cover . . . it was glued together with red silicone . . . lots and lots of it.  I finally got the cover to pop off and the fluid looked pretty good.  Now, on to Step 5.  I removed the lock bolt.  Sort of.  The lock bolt is BROKEN! >:(  The top of it down to where the threads ends comes out, but the tip that holds the pin in is still down in the hole, and still holding the pin in place.  I've tried everythink I can think of short of standing the truck on it's bumper and shaking it out.   ???  Any ideas here would be appreciated.   ???

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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 03:53:04 PM »
I thought about trying to hang a drill bit in it, but there's no way to get a straight shot into the hole.  I had to use a 1/4" ratchet to remove the bolt 'cause there wasn't enough room for a 3/8" drive.

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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 04:18:33 PM »
Can you tap on the pin a little in both directions to loosen the broken piece up? Perhaps its made to be a little short so that it wouldn't bottom out so you could tap it farther down in the hole (into the pin) and then it might come out.

From a quick 5 minutes worth of research, that pin ONLY puts a little pit of pressure on the axles outward so that they down bang in and out, causing the clips to pop off. Once it is removed and the pressure is removed, the clips can be easily removed. Can you force the clips off WITH the pressure and then remove the axles, and the diff to work the pin out on a workbench?

Worst case scenario, drill a hole down  beside the pin and see if you can "break" the rest of the bolt off so it will slide out.

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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2012, 05:24:07 PM »
Below is a picture of what my bolt looks like.  Compair that with the bolt in the picture from the manual.

The pin is free, I can move it in and out and twist it slightly.  When I push all the play to one side and then press down on the broken tip of the bolt, it will move the pin slightly, so the tip of the bolt is free as well.

I tried sucking it out with a shop vac . . . got a good seal on it but the pin still wouldn't come out.  I think it still has a tiny bit of the thread on it, which will make it nearly impossible to remove while the differential is in the housing.  Out on the work bench, I can probably get it out.  IF, I get it out, I still have a problem . . . where am I going to get another bolt like that?  I see a trip to Pull-A-Part in my future . . . but I need to get my truck fixed first.  Hummmmmm . . . isn't that one of them oxymoron things?   ;D

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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2012, 05:36:21 PM »
From a quick 5 minutes worth of research, that pin ONLY puts a little pit of pressure on the axles outward so that they down bang in and out, causing the clips to pop off. Once it is removed and the pressure is removed, the clips can be easily removed. Can you force the clips off WITH the pressure and then remove the axles, and the diff to work the pin out on a workbench?

If the pin is supposed to keep the axles pushed out, I might have bigger problems.  I can move the axle in and out about 1/8" . . . It'll also move up and down a little.

I'll shove the left axle in and see if I can get the clip off.  If so, I need to hunt up another jack stand so I can put both sides in the air and pull out both axles.  I guess then I'll pull the differential out.

Or, I could just replace the hole rear axle.  Folks are always parting out S-10s on craigslist.

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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2012, 05:42:28 PM »
I read on through the assembly instructions and found step 18 interesting . . . this may be why the bolt is broken:

18. Install the pinion shaft through the case and the pinions, then install a new pinion shaft lock bolt. Torque the new lock bolt to 25 ft. lbs. (34 Nm).

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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2012, 06:35:17 PM »
Nope. No luck.  The c-clip fits in a groove in the axle and sits inside an inset in the pinion gears.  You have to push the axles in quite a bit to get the c-clip out.  It won't happen without removing the pin.

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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2012, 11:20:12 PM »
One of those tiny super strong magnets at work?
My kids used to have a magnet game that had steel balls and little tiny magnets in the end of them, I THINK I have one or two of these magnets attached to the inside of my tool box, they are super strong and like 3/16" in diam..
Let me check tomorrow...
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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012, 08:17:21 AM »
One of those tiny super strong magnets at work?

I've tried a magnet.  I "think" the problem is that there is still a little bit of thread on the broken part and the hole doesn't seem to be threaded all the way down.  I stuck a strong magnet to a small allen wrench and stuck in the center of the hole . . . when I pull it out, the broken part of the bolt pulls back very slightly then breaks loose from the allen wrench like it's hanging on something.

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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2012, 11:06:16 AM »
Hey Zen, bad spot to be in there. Those bolts are broken quite often, usually they are rounded off and near impossible to turn to start with. The biggest obstacle in getting the remaining portion out is that there is a small amount of the thread taper still on the pin in the hole so even though you can spin it it will no come out. The cross pin in the diff. Is the ONLY thing that holds the axles in far enough to retain the C clip, if you could wiggle the clip out with the pin in place you would loose a wheel/ axle combo while driving. The pin-bolt is hardened steel as you can imagine and can be shattered/sheared off. What I have done in these situations in the past is to rotate the carrier 180 degrees to gain access to the other side of the cross pin, take a drift that is the size of the pin or a little smaller and beat it until 1 of 2 things happens... The retaining bolt/pin breaks and the cross pin comes out or the carrier housing breaks and the cross pin comes out. Just be careful to keep the pin from hitting the pinion gear or the housing once it moves..you can push it too far then the carrier won't be able to spin back around for you to take the pin all the way out. It seems to be a 50/50 on the broken carrier, however the alternative is to replace the whole axle assembly drum to drum. A used carrier is cheap in comparison. Once you get the C clip out and pull the axle you will probably find the bearing has cut into it and pretty much destroyed the surface. You can get a axle saver bearing that moves the bearing and seal( built into this type of bearing) out and to a unused portion of the axle, unless someone has already done this then the axle shaft will need to be replaced. I would suggest doing both sides at this time and to NOT use the paper gasket on the cover, they leak. Instead I use Ultra Black RTV, about a 1/4in bead and there won't be any leaks(provided the cover and housing are very clean and dry).
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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2012, 11:30:37 AM »
Thanks Rick.  I bought new bearings and seals for both sides, but I bought the stock ones.  Someone has been in this thing before, so I'm wondering what I'll find when I do get it apart.

I can get a complete rear end, drum to drum from Pull-A-Part for about 80 bucks including tax, core charge and a 30 day warranty.  They usually poke a hole in the covers to drain the fluid befor they put 'em on the lot, so I would have use my cover . . . I've got good drums and all new break parts plus new bearings and seals.  With it out from under the truck, this should be a pretty easy rebuild, so I'm leaning towards getting a pull-a-part unit, slapping my parts on it and exchanging it.

But first I'll try driving the pin out and see what I end up with.  I can't find my 3 pound multi-tool, so guess the FIRST thing I gott'a do is go buy a bigger hammer.   ;D

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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012, 01:22:48 PM »
I couldn't find a 3 pound multi-tool (that's a hammer for those of you outside the "triangle") so I had to settle for a two pounder.  Maybe it won't hurt as bad when I hit my thumb.  Gonn'a go beat on my truck and see what breaks!   ;D
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Re: '84 S-10 Rear Wheel Bearing

« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2012, 04:36:57 PM »
What I have done in these situations in the past is to rotate the carrier 180 degrees to gain access to the other side of the cross pin, take a drift that is the size of the pin or a little smaller and beat it until 1 of 2 things happens... The retaining bolt/pin breaks and the cross pin comes out or the carrier housing breaks and the cross pin comes out.

After about 2 hours of beating, 2 of 2 things happened . . . the carrier housing broke and my arm fell off!  I'll post a picture as soon as I can reattach my arm and pick up my camera.

I'm wondering if it might be possible to drill and tap the other side of the carrier and turn the pin around.  After I get my arm working again I'll pull the axles out and see what they look like.  If everything else is OK, I might try to repair this carrier.  If anything else is bad, I'll just replace the whole rear end.

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