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VW vs UAW

« on: October 15, 2013, 10:24:13 AM »
I saw that News Channel 9 is holding a town hall on the issue and it seems to be that both the Pro-Union groups and the Anti-Union groups are gearing up for the debate. What's everyone's thoughts?

How has quality been affected in the union years (1978-1988 in PA) vs German quality, vs Mexican plant quality, vs the Chattanooga quality?

What about cost of VWs vs comparable vehicles during those times?

Thoughts?

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Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2013, 10:34:19 AM »
I am on the fence,  I thought part of the reason they chose tn was no union

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Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2013, 04:47:31 PM »
Ditto...

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Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2013, 05:05:10 PM »
I find it interesting that the UAW had a direct impact on VW almost exactly 50 years ago. In 1963, the UAW pressured Johnson to include a 25% tax on imported light trucks as an assault on the VW single and double cabs. You all know how that went...they got harder and harder to import, fewer and fewer are still around...and the big three are known for their trucks. Then all the Jap truck companies come in and make their trucks in the US to avoid a 25% tax.

I bet VW chose to build in the US to eventually bring a light truck to the American market.
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Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2013, 06:24:44 PM »
My personal opinion is that at one time, there was a legitamate need for labor unions, but for the most part, all they do now is make it harder for manufactures to stay competitive.  I've seen a lot of good companies in our area pack up and leave or go under because of unreasonable union demands.

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2013, 09:07:25 PM »
I don't really know enough to say for sure either way. Unions can be positive when they are advocating better working conditions and fair wages for their members. Could things be better at VW? I'm sure they could, but I don't know that the UAW is needed to improve things. Back when environmental and occupational standards were very lax, factories were a lot more hazardous to work in. I know they aren't a cakewalk now, but we understand and implement safer working environments and those standards are federal now.

I've never worked at VW so I don't really know for sure, but from the people I've talked to who have jobs there, and everything else I've seen, VW treats their employees pretty well already. I know they get some really good benefits and pay seems to be very good.

About 11 or 12 years ago I took a job at the USPS remote encoding center beside Eastgate. It isn't there anymore, but basically the postal service has big machines that take a photo of each piece of mail and try to electronically read the destination address. For the ones the machine couldn't read, those images were transmitted to encoding centers where workers would sit in front of a computer terminal and key in the address. That's all you did for 8 or 10 hours a day, depending. It was boring and tedious.

During orientation, at one point management left the room and APWU representatives came in and tried to get everyone to join the union. They made it clear it was optional, but they heavily stressed joining. First if you wanted any type of health insurance at all you had to be a union member. Second if you wanted a chance at going "career" (we were all temporary) the APWU had negotiated like, a 70/30 split for full time employees union and non-union.

Overall it just seemed like joining the union was your only ticket into moving up, or getting all the benefits you deserve rather than depending on how hard you worked at your job, which is how I thought it should be. I felt the union existed to benefit the union rather than the employee. Luckily I didn't stay there long though!

I haven't checked to make sure, but I seem to remember hearing no other auto factory in the Southeast has union representation. That includes BMW, Kia, Nissan, etc. If the UAW gets VW, I'm sure they would try to move in on some of those other plants and get them too. Before you know it we might have another Detroit in the Southeast.

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Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2013, 11:35:27 AM »
Not a fan of unions myself, not by experience, but out of principle. I think times have changed a bit and with federal work standards its not as important.

I recall a conversation with a guy at the Ace Hardware on Broad st while he was stocking the hardware aisle. He was from Boston and told me about how nice unions were and that we needed them down south because it really brings up the standard of living. He said that our non-union jobs robbed us by only paying $10-15 for labor jobs while a broom pusher on a construction site was making $27/hr up there. I inquired about the cost of an average 3 bedroom/ 2 bath home- he said $600,000!!! Seemed to me that their unions (and perhaps a few other influences) caused the cost of EVERYTHING to go sky high. He said you couldn't get a kid out of bed in the summer to work at McDonalds for less than $15/hr.

If VW unionizes, it might end up cheaper for them in the next decade to "oversea" those jobs to somewhere that doesn't hold them hostage. And as soon as the UAW starts to renegotiate all of the benefits. I have a feeling that would impact the Erlanger clinic at VW as well as some of the other amenities. They take 1.15% of your monthly income of which 38% stays local, 32% goes to the national HQ and 32% goes to the strike fund. A few websites say the starting wage of a VW employee is $14.50 ($29,000). That means the lowest the union dues would be ~$335/year. Maybe that's worth it, but still seems like it creates a lot of unnecessary costs for the individual and the company.

Reading on the UAW website, they use the threat of striking as leverage in negotiations. Then it says that union workers are protected financially in the event a strike is necessary; they will pay $200/week plus benefits!!! That's about a third of what the lowly underpaid worker is currently bringing home!

I wonder what would happen if VW decided to go on strike... they have that power, right?

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Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2013, 12:06:23 PM »
Looks like the Vw workers are suing the union per the news,  I think the might also loose the lease program for vehicles if the union came in

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Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2014, 02:44:17 PM »
They vote on it this week. Has anyone's opinions changed? Anyone pro union?

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Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2014, 03:33:13 PM »
I have no use for unions.
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Offline Russ

Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2014, 05:06:24 PM »
My opinion hasn't changed, but this was pretty funny.

Offline travisyoung

Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 05:45:38 PM »
Saw that,  getting crazy

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Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2014, 10:08:37 PM »
On an unrealted note . . . Do any of you know why Cavilier quit producing vending machines in Chattanooga in the late 80's?  And why did Cris Craft leave back in the early 70's?
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Re: VW vs UAW

« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2014, 08:33:34 AM »
On an unrealted note . . . Do any of you know why Caviler quit producing vending machines in Chattanooga in the late 80's?  And why did CrisCraft leave back in the early 70's?

Its hard to find any information on those items because of the huge collector market and people wanting to know where they were built. Google only wants to direct me to ebay. Hows about telling us what happened to these two companies that I know very little of!

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2014, 11:57:21 AM »
I assume they closed and opened in a state without a union? Or moved overseas?

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