ummmm..... flipping / sliding 50 feet on your roof?.......

45 mph......does not compute.

I think Regis is somewhere in the background saying, "is that your final answer?"

How did he manage that?
 :?

I merely ask with my own teenage years in mind....sometimes details can  be a bit fuzzy when the fear of the wrath of the parent clouds the issue.
 :lol:

Oh, and I do believe that flipping a car alone implies you are travelling too fast for conditions.

Ga, has some weird traffic laws.  Leaving the roadway ?   What if you were driving a Rail Buggy or a Jeep ?  Does the law say that you have to have all the wheels on the ground to leave the road ?  I bet a hungry 50 cent lawyer could beat that ticket.  You are on your own on for driving to fast for conditions. No contest there.
      My 40 year old son was sitting at a intersection in Atlanta that had no traffic light control trying to make a left turn.  He got a break and took off and the rear tires "barked" a little rubber( in a Volvo yet) . The cop pulled him over in a block  and wrote him a ticket for, get this, " trying to create a drag" A What ??  The fine was $65.  
      S.C. In your case:
             One 17 year old + One new drivers permit + parents car + Bad driving conditions =  A lot of grey hair.  Someday you can ask me why I know this :roll:  :roll:

That one reminds me David... Amanda's ex once got a ticket on Brainerd road for.... not going to fast.... but "accelerating too quickly to the posted speed".... :?

I guess I better watch it in Albert.   He loves to get to the speed limit really quit for a stocker. My favorite trick is to pull along side a Sake Sucker at a traffic light and jump him a car lenght with a Bug (easy to do) They can't stand it when a Bug jumps them . Then you really slow down and let him burn past you with smoking tires with the Soup Can  bellowing straight into the arms of the Patrol Car that you spotted parked down the street.  If you can belive this ,I did the same thing to a "Vette" in my '67 Bug on Brainerd Rd at Belvoir Ave years ago.  He must have blown by that Cop car at about 90mph.  By the time I got to where he was pulled over ,the Cop had him out of the car and the Dude was pointing at me when I "tootle" by at 30mph. I would have loved to known what he was telling  the Cop. I waved and went on to work. I love it . :lol:  :lol:  :lol: I have mellowed out a bit since then, but not to much  

Any one have any experience in moving violations. ?  Help   SC

Yep . . . I was 16, driving a couple of friends home after school in a 64 Buick.  Left the roadway at 45 MPH swerving to miss a dog, rolled the car, hit a bank and flipped the car back up on it's side.  We jumped out, rolled it back over on the wheels and drove off.  By the time I was 25 I was doing 60 and there was no dog in sight.  Luckily, it was 64 Buick.  Caved in the rear quarter pannel and warped both the driver's side wheels.  I got it back on the road before the law showed up, so I was only out about $20 for a couple of used wheels.

As for getting out of the ticket . . . I'v had a lot of experiance with teens and tickets (just ask Justin!  :lol:  )  Iif you spend a grand with a good lawyer, you can probably get out for $100.  But my experiance has been that if a teen looks a judge in the eye and ADMIT that they screwed up (even if they really didn't) and ask if they can do community service instead of having to pay the fine, they usually come out better than with a lawyer.  

SC. Look on the citations (tickets). Give me the code sections. They should start with 40. DUI in Ga would be 40-6-391-xx-xx.

Who issued the citations. City, County, GSP??

On the "Too Fast For Conditions" citation what were the "conditions" the officer states? Was it raining, was it in a "School Zone" etc.  You stated there was no radar speed only the marks on the pavement left by the roof. You said 50 feet of marking. You can get a minimum speed using a certain formula. If the car left the roadway skidded through grass, flipped and left the roof markings you can use a combined speed formula to figure the minimum speed. Unless you had a Traffic Accident Reconstruction person do an investigation and plug in that data it sounds like a SWAG (Scientific Wild A** Guess) by the officer. IMHO an officer would be hard pressed to prove TFFC at 45/35 except in a School Zone with that speed during school hours. In that case the speeding ticket would be more correct and you may could get a "Reckless Driving" if school was letting out or in with students crossing the road etc.

On the "Leaving The Roadway" citation. No such charge under Georgia law that I know of. That is why I ask for the Code Section.  They may be meaning "Failure To Maintain Lane"  under 40-6- 40(a) if I remember the Code section correctly. It has been a while since I was on the streets writing tickets. They may just be wording it different.

Do not get me wrong. If your son deserves the ticket I will tell you so. But by the same token I do not like to see people taken advantage of by officers that do not have any idea what they are doing in accident investigations. I am not saying this is the case here, but "Leaving the roadway" catches my attention.

SC I sent you a PM with my cell phone number. Call me if you want to and we can talk.