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Coastie

Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« on: April 26, 2007, 11:39:39 PM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6494593.stm Porsche has continued to make air cooled rear engine cars all these years. I can only hope that Porsche control will bring back air cooled rear engine VW Beetles and other vehicles! :P

Offline VWGirl

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Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2007, 10:45:58 AM »
why would porsche bring back aircooled beetles? they went watercooled themselves several years ago... actually i think it's been more like 10 now.

I don't think the aircooled beetle is ever coming back now  :cry:

Gehackt

Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2007, 07:03:58 PM »
Are the new 911s water-cooled too?

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Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2007, 10:09:18 PM »
the 993 type 911 (early 1995 to later 1998) were the last of the air-cooled cars..  boxsters were the first watercooled boxers (2.5L) starting in '97, followed by the 996 type 911 (3.4L) in '99.

though I haven't read much on it and don't really know a whole lot about it, as far as I understand, porsche had bought the large share to prevent VW from getting purchased by anyone else to protect their close relationship with VAG (I'd think it's mostly about the tourag / cayenne / Q7 platform)

Coastie

Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2007, 09:38:26 AM »
Quote from: "VWGirl"
why would porsche bring back aircooled beetles? they went watercooled themselves several years ago... actually i think it's been more like 10 now.

I don't think the aircooled beetle is ever coming back now  :cry:


My last Porsche was a '69 92 in 1986. That shows how much I have keep up on Porsches. I thought the 911 was still air cooled.

Maybe Porsche would at least bring back a true people's car that looks like a real Beetle as Dr. Porsche designed. Maybe it could be based on the Fox http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms_publish/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/models/fox.html. I don't think VW did a very good job with the New Beetle. It is not true enough to the original in looks or price.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2007, 10:57:54 AM »
Hey Coastie,   Watch what you say.    Fox ?   ( son of Dasher and other terms) :lol:  :lol: .  The older Audi Fox and the VW Fox are evil twins :twisted:

Coastie

Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2007, 05:25:23 PM »
Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"
Hey Coastie,   Watch what you say.    Fox ?   ( son of Dasher and other terms) :lol:  :lol: .  The older Audi Fox and the VW Fox are evil twins :twisted:


This Fox is just VW's base model in Germany. I would like to see a "new" Beetle that looks more like the original and lower cost. If Toyota, Kia, etc. can sell new cars for around $10,000, you would think VW could too.

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Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2007, 05:36:11 PM »
Quote from: "Coastie"
Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"
Hey Coastie,   Watch what you say.    Fox ?   ( son of Dasher and other terms) :lol:  :lol: .  The older Audi Fox and the VW Fox are evil twins :twisted:


This Fox is just VW's base model in Germany. I would like to see a "new" Beetle that looks more like the original and lower cost. If Toyota, Kia, etc. can sell new cars for around $10,000, you would think VW could too.


That's not the market VW has been searching for. Can you say Phaeton?

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2007, 09:25:24 PM »
Phaeton !!   Why ?    They tried this a few years ago and it was a turkey. I cannot see why anyone would pay $85,000 for a W12  VW.  I have talked to a few Techs that had to work on those electrical nightmares.
    I think that if VW brought a up dated air-cooled car on the market like our old Bugs , They would find a way to screw it up much less trying to get it to pass the emission laws. You would have a 250lb engine with 400lbs of anti-smog "junk". It ain't going to happen.  As far as I,m concerned VW hasn't built a decent air-cool since 1974 excluding some of the Mexis and even then you had no clue to what left over and out dated parts it was built with. Not a bad car, but try to buy some parts in this country.
     Bottom line is just restore your old faithful German built Bug/vanI  You won't find a better built car for the money.
     I haven't checked the VWAG site in a while. When did VW re-issue the Fox as a base model ? I thought the base model was the Polo.
     The whole deal is that VW has lost their way. If I am going to ride around in a $85,000 sedan its going to have a 3 pointed star or a Opel logo on the hood.
      I was over to the VW Store Friday and saw Hal sitting in a brand new BIG Audi with enough ET junk to check a Nuke plant in his lap trying to find out why this $80,000 beauty wasn't doing right. Hmmmmm

Offline VWGirl

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Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2007, 10:33:56 PM »
so far as i know the polo is still the base model

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2007, 11:53:29 AM »
Hey VWGirl,  Coastie is correct. The new Fox is the base model VW. Google VW Fox and it will take you to VW/ UK and you will see what types of VWs that are available all over the world except the good old
U.S. of A .  Go figure.
     Thank God the new Fox is not the same car as in the past.  Ck out the fuel mileage. That ought to get the Hybrids attention.
     Like I said before VW has lost its way in the USA. Who is to blame
 VWAG or VWoA ? :roll:

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Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2007, 03:00:59 PM »
I always wished vw would have brought over the polo or lupo models... you could get the polo w/ a G40 (40mm version of the corrado G60 charger) with 113hp at 1850lbs, it's like a modern rabbit GTi with a bit more power. How about the new Lupo 3L, a 1.2L TDI that sports 78mpg and is ranked the worlds most fuel efficient production car.

I see more and more Honda Fits and Toyota Yaris' (isisis) on the road.. you would think there is a great market for VWs small cars... even if they were DOT approved and VW could bring them over, I doubt they would dare upset the Golf platform. I think the new rabbit is a joke... if they brought over the current Fox and called it the "new rabbit" and sold it for sub $12k, I'd understand... but yoda says "a stripped down Golf a rabbit does not make"

Oh well... I'll just keep driving my $900 '89 jetta that got saw 35.98mpg last week... (with over 250k on the odometer to boot)

Coastie

Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2007, 08:37:32 PM »
Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"
I think that if VW brought a up dated air-cooled car on the market like our old Bugs , They would find a way to screw it up
:cry:

Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"
Bottom line is just restore your old faithful German built Bug/vanI  You won't find a better built car for the money.
  :)

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Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2007, 09:37:46 AM »
so it replaces the lupo and looks like a lupo (and still called a lupo in some countries), and nothing like a fox... leave it to VW to randomly change names... (rabbit, golf, rabbit... even though they still make the rabbit/golf/citi golf/citi that still looks like a rabbit)

it's interesting though that they would bring the fox back as an econobox, yet look where the passat is... they started out on the same platform... and now the passat is on a platform of it's own.

eventually we will have to specify the year and the country of origin to determine what type of vw one really has.


however the polo is still also the base model... just the fox running around beside it instead of the lupo... the gol is actually below the "fox"

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Porsche has raised its stake in Volkswagen (VW) to 30.9%

« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2007, 10:56:31 AM »
VW Girl,  I rest my case.  That just  shows you what kind confused state of mind that VW is in.  Sort of like the "Stuff" that the Germans used in WW-2.  Mostly good, not enough production and deployed in all  the wrong places.  As Coaste said : If the Japs can do it, how come the Germans can't. I have already written the U.S. auto Industry off.
     Darrell Waltrup(?) said it all when NASCAR fans got upset when they let Toyota jump into the all American Race. He stated that the Dodge Charger was being built in Canada, The Ford Fusions were being built in Mexico and get this, The Toyota Camery was being built in Kentucky. The only American built car in the Nextel Cup series and they are not doing well at all. Go figure. :lol:  :lol:

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