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Offline volksnick

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PIPA & SOPA

« on: January 18, 2012, 11:48:21 AM »
Has anyone else tried wikipedia or craiglist today? Or noticed the black bar over google on it's homepage?

I was kinda like "whatever" to the whole thing, but that was mainly because I didn't know what it was about. After craigslist redirected me to their black page, I read through what it was... and then who was supporting it. Turns out Lamar Alexander and Corker are behind it. I don't think Chucky has taken a stance on it yet. Better yet, the businesses that support it vs the business that don't. Those that do are mostly big names without a huge internet stake- (wal-mart, Nike, Sony, Visa, Mastercard). I say without a huge stake, but compared to those against it (google, yahoo, wikipedia, craigslist, facebook, twitter, linked-in, ebay, AOL, Mozilla, Reddit, Tumblr..etc) who have a HUGE stake in the internet.

Go read up on it and see what's going

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Re: PIPA & SOPA

« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 01:31:26 PM »
I do know that on the House side, Tom Graves opposes SOPA in our Georgia district. But Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson in the Senate both cosigned on PIPA.

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Re: PIPA & SOPA

« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 01:16:33 PM »
It will basically give the government the right to take down a site on just suspected piracy. I don't support it. they could take down any website without notice. Which would basically be like living in china which I certainly oppose. Piracy is wrong but this is not the way to fight it.

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Re: PIPA & SOPA

« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 01:50:28 PM »
Any idea how that could affect an online forum like ours? I mean if someone happens to post something up, could it be shutdown as well? That seems a little heavy handed

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Re: PIPA & SOPA

« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2012, 02:30:07 PM »
It's more than just a little heavy-handed. It's a LOT heavy-handed.

SOPA and PIPA are designed to give the government more tools to deal with sites that host and distribute copyrighted content outside of the US (read: Pirate Bay). Under the current laws, they are outside of the gov's jurisdiction. So instead of being able to shut them down directly, SOPA and PIPA aim to prevent distribution through a few methods:

1) They can go after search engines like Google and Bing to have infringing sites scrubbed from their indexes.

2) They can go after other sites in the US that link to other sites hosting or distributing infringing content.

3) They can go after ad networks that run ads for infringing sites and have their ads removed, thus removing any possible ad revenue.

4) They can go after payment processors like PayPal and credit card companies to shut down merchant accounts of infringing sites, thus cutting off donations and payments they might receive.

5) Finally, they can go after ISPs and force them to remove or change DNS records for infringing sites, which would make them harder to get to.

The last part is the scariest, because it would potentially give the government control over one of the most critical pieces of the Internet infrastructure. DNS, in a nutshell, is a directory of names to IP addresses. Every site on the Internet has a numerical IP address, this site's for instance is 64.18.100.104. DNS takes an easy-to-remember name, such as www.volksfolks.org, and translates it into the IP address. The DNS service is run by ISPs and other internet companies and it's designed to distribute all the names and addresses across the internet. As you can imagine, if the government was able to order all of these ISPs to remove a DNS record for an infringing site, it would effectively be inaccessible (except by its numerical IP address).

Last I heard, the DNS portions of the bill were off the table. However, with all the other stuff it allows, it's still a very dangerous bill.

Under the current copyright laws (The DMCA which was passed in 1998), here is how a copyright claim is handled. Let's say me or anyone else here posts some kind of copyrighted content to the site. It could be a song, photograph, movie, whatever. The copyright owner finds this and wants it removed. What they would do is send a letter to our network provider requesting a takedown of the infringing content. The provider would have to respond by either asking us to remove the content, or they could shut us down completely if we don't. Either way, the provider has to reasonably comply with the request, in order to keep "safe harbor" protection. That means a network provider isn't liable for any acts of copyright infringement its users commit (as long as they respond to DMCA takedown requests).

Obviously, the DMCA only applies to networks within the US. But let's see what would happen if a bill similar to SOPA/PIPA passes into law. The intent of course is to go after copyright infringement sites outside of the US, but it most certainly could apply to sites within the US as well. Let's say the same thing happens and one of us posts some copyrighted content to our site. Or not even that, let's say someone just links to a site from here. The law is so vaguely written that sites could be in violation if they "engage in, enable, or facilitate" copyright infringement. Is linking to a site hosting copyrighted content "facilitating" it? Someone could convince a judge somewhere of that I'm sure if they wanted to. And thus, our site could be taken down and found liable of "facilitating" copyright infringement just for linking somewhere.

That's kind of an extreme example, but with such vague wording and flexibility, these laws would almost certainly be misused, much like the DMCA is misused now in a lot of situations. Any site that allows comments or users to post material to them would be in danger of "engaging in, enabling, or facilitating" copyright infringement.

That's a pretty scary situation to be in, and yes it would put us a few steps closer to countries like China in which the government monitors and controls Internet access and usage. That's why a lot of sites went down in protest of these bills, and also to raise awareness. Because even if SOPA/PIPA don't pass (and right now it doesn't seem likely in their current form), other bills will almost certainly be proposed that do the same thing. As you can imagine, the co-sponsors of the bill received a tremendous amount of contributions from the entertainment industry, who of course wants this to pass. They have powerful lobbyists with deep pockets.

No one is arguing copyright owners shouldn't be able to protect their content from being pirated, but this is clearly the wrong way to go about dealing with piracy. In fact not only would it not prevent piracy, it would deal a huge blow to the free and open Internet we all use today.

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Re: PIPA & SOPA

« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2012, 02:45:38 PM »
Here's a couple of videos that explain it all pretty well.

http://fightforthefuture.org/pipa/

http://www.khanacademy.org/video/sopa-and-pipa

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Re: PIPA & SOPA

« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2012, 03:21:21 PM »
After reading all of that, it makes me think that someone could maliciously take down one of those sites by linking or posting blatantly copy written material and then reporting it. I could see someone with a vested interest commenting on someone else's (potentially a competitor) page with something like a Coca-Cola image or even worse, a VW logo. We all know that these company's lawyers will shut that down fast and if they can get the guv'ment involved, it will be worse than getting your driver's license renewed!!!

I hope it fails

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Re: PIPA & SOPA

« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2012, 03:31:45 PM »
Seems like the protests yesterday turned the tide, going from 80/30 (for/against) to now 64 for and 108 against.

http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/

Corker is still supporting the bill.

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