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Offline VWGirl

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emissions testing?

« on: July 11, 2006, 01:05:03 PM »
just wondering what types of emissions testing you guys have up there... is it by state? county? etc... i looked on the web but just found info on hamilton county and figured since you guys know the area and i dont you could help me out with info :) thanks!

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2006, 02:23:09 PM »
We are being "blackmailed" by the Feds. Right now I belive its by county, but they are closing in. It cost $10.00 per car. Hamilton county gets ,I think, $2.00 and some Polock in New Jersey gets $8.00. EnviroTec is the name of this #$$#$&*^%^%  outfit. Tn. checks back to 1975. You can buy an Antique car tag if your car is 25 years old. I think they cost $25 or  $35. They are "forever tags,

Offline VWGirl

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2006, 03:08:23 PM »
so it is the whole state then? anything newer than 75? so my 78 bus would be tested? unless i have an antique tag? if you have antique tags you are exempt?

and this stupid mexican beetle wont be dealt with? of course... there are always ways around things... but i need to figure this all out...

your help is greatly appreciated :)

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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2006, 04:01:30 PM »
Somebody correct me if i'm wrong,I think if you fall in the 30 year window you still have to pass to get the antique tag,but then never again.

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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2006, 04:01:32 PM »
Somebody correct me if i'm wrong,I think if you fall in the 30 year window you still have to pass to get the antique tag,but then never again.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2006, 04:37:45 PM »
Don't think so !

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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2006, 06:37:41 PM »
One of our other members ended up selling his 98 Mexican Beetle because of Hamilton County's emmision testing . . .

No test is required just across the state line in Walker County, GA . . . yet . . . but give it a year or two.   :roll:

By the way, Ret.Bugtech . . . watch what you say about "Polocks." :wink:

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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2006, 07:56:26 PM »
but this is not all of TN right? just hamilton county?

TN does not have state income tax?

Offline certdubtech

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2006, 09:36:55 PM »
A couple of things:
Don't know about the whole one time only emissions test for vehicles over 30 yrs old./Antique tag stuff...
At current time, anything prior to 1975 is exempt from the testing.
Vehicles built prior to 1995/1996 get a tailpipe test and are checked for "Evidence of Catalyst Tampering" and the gas caps are checked for proper sealing.
Later cars get a little more.
Around the 1996 model year, it became a federal law that all vehicles offered for sale in the U.S. have generic O.B.D. capabilty (On Board Diagnostic).  These later systems are generally referred to as OBD II (second generation).  Same plug for all cars with generic codes that apply to all vehicles and expanded codes that are vehicle/manufacturer specific (VW has a BUNCH of these).
This is why when you need to scan a computer on an early fuel injected car you needed different scan tools depending on what kind of car you had
or at least, you needed a Snap-On style scanner with a crap-ton of leads.
The reason that Anthony's beetle wouldn't pass the emissions test is simple, really.  The air-cooled beetles were NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SOLD HERE.  Therefore, while they might pass the tailpipe test, they do not have the required OBD II Plug.  No ability to check for emission related fault codes, no passie emissions test.
The day he discovered this, he brought the bug by work and he and I spent a few minutes crawling around the interior and engine compartment but were not able to find the correct plug-in.  We did however find some capped off leads that appeared to have some purpose (diagnostic or whatever) but they were of no use to us...Perhaps they might help old Juan in Mexico.
Ive heard a lot of complaining about this testing business, but all I'll say is that we shouldn't have spent the last hundred or so years killing our environment.  Not trying for the hippie angle, just being honest.  
Quite honestly, this test we have in Hamilton County is really not as bad as it's been portrayed.
If my out of tune, beaten up '84 Rabbit GTI can pass the tailpipe test with a mere 1/4 to 1/3 of the permitted emissions, I don't think the majority of VW owners have anything to worry about.....If you've got tags about to expire on the old '78 Camaro, sell it or start spending money.
Just be thankful you don't live in California.  They've been in ther own little emissions world for over 30 years now.  In fact, new vehicles sold in the U.S. are divided into two categories labeled as either "Federal" or "California" emissions vehicles.
Oh, and by the way, David....like Zen said....my mother's maiden name was Wudarcki.
Keep it up and I'll park my dasher on your freshly laid concrete.

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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2006, 09:37:53 PM »
I won't drive one thats falls in there little inspection range,so I'm probably wrong. watch about the tags they are crackin down on them now,if you get busted you lose the antique tag priveledge for a long while.

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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2006, 09:54:21 PM »
Makes since that they would crack down on the whole antique tag thing as that's what everybody's been suggesting everybody should do to beat the sytem for the last year now...Before now, never thought I'd see a rusted out, beat up '73 Ford pickup with an antique tag.  Now, I'm not so sure.

Offline VWGirl

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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2006, 10:12:39 PM »
i understand that OBD/OBD II is the standard... but can you not get the same codes with the VAG COM on the mexi beetle? the connector is in the engine compartment on the upper left for future reference... but you do have to make a special 3 wire adapter for it to work...

We don't have emissions here in FL for the plain simple fact that they found it made little to NO impact on the pollutants in the air and it was not cost effective... so FL as a state has not had emissions testing since 1981... though i think there are a couple of counties that have had them off and on... so i have never had to deal with emissions testing other than doing it at school for the hell of it cause we had the equipment and it was an excuse to use the dyno.

so if my 1998 beetle passed the emissions tests in california (i assume that it did cause that's where the VIN plate came from) then Anthony's should have made it through TN... but it seems as though Hamilton county is trying to be more strict than Cali?

FL used to have "collectible" tags... but they ended up on rusty POS's and they took them away... then they came out with "Antique" but they are going the same way... perhaps if the tag agency went out to look at the car then they could prevent this from happening...

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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2006, 10:28:55 PM »
That was the connector that Anthony and I found.  Quite honestly, I don't think that the testing center gives a rat's rear end as to the "coolness" of having an air-cooled beetle built in 1998.  They're all about streamlining there:  pull forward, sit still, look front, get out,plug in, un-plug, get back in, you pass/don't pass.  If it's a '98 car, it has to have the '98 plug is how they'll look at it.  The issue is diagnostic capabilty...that little three-pin connector and the 16-pin OBD II plugs are worlds apart...and therefore, interfere with "the man's" system.  I don't make the rules, I just try to clarify them almost daily to the irritated masses who can't seem to get their tags renewed.  Personally, I have a theory that your Mexican beetle spits less of the "bad stuff" out the tailpipe than does a 2006 Hummer H2.  Or maybe that's just me.....
You're absolutely right about the antique car tag thing.  I think it's only a matter of time before the requirements/conditions are tightened up around here too.

Offline VWGirl

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2006, 10:38:01 PM »
so i was told in order to get around the whole obd II thing in NC, my car was titled as a 1998 custom... and it was inspected and passed... now FL has changed my title back to a 98 beetle... had i thought of the whole emissions thing or known why it was like this at the time i prob would have told them to keep it that way...

i just need a way to keep my car and be in the chattanooga area... all i see is that hamilton county has these emissions laws... can anyone confirm outlying counties do or do not have them? this is becoming a big hold up here... i think i will just add my dads name on the title and leave it with a fl tag and be done with it!

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2006, 11:40:00 PM »
I can't help it if the guy in New Jersey is a Polock, but he is. His name was in the newspaper just the other day.
Wudarcki ?? Now I know why you are the way you are. All has been revealed. I don't think your Dasher would have enough power to even try to crawl out on my wet concrete
   About getting your tag in a Tn. non-testing county. You have to be a resident in that county. A post office box # will not get it done. This has already been tried by a friend of mine.
   If the people wanted to stop testing they could. Everybody in the county just not show up. I don't think they could arrest the whole county, but that will not happen until the cost of living and $5.00 gal. gas catches up with the 'Yuppys" and their Hummers. I can't wait to hear them start squealing :lol:

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