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Auto-stick as a Toad?

« on: April 05, 2006, 09:05:16 PM »
Has anyone used a VW with the auto-stick as a toad (behind an RV)? Mine is a 1974 SuperBeetle and would sure be a lot lighter than my Grand Cherokee fer shur.

Wondering if you just put her in neutral and go or if there are other considerations.

Thanks,

Ron
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Auto-stick as a Toad?

« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2006, 12:26:18 AM »
I don't think there is a problem towing a Bug auto-stick, but never tow a fully automatic including Rabbits, Type-3s 8)

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Auto-stick as a Toad?

« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2006, 07:41:12 AM »
Unless I'm mistaken (which I may be) you should be able to safely tow ANY automatic or semi-automatic vehicle that can be roll started.  That means there is a hydraulic pump that is driven by the output side of the tranny and it will keep everything inside lubricated while it's in tow.

If it can't be roll started, the pump is only running when the engine is turning . . . I can tell you from experiance that it will ruin a 72 Dodge automatic transmission to tow it 30 miles!   :oops:

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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2006, 08:11:17 AM »
Thanks for the input guys.

Zen, all I can say is "OUCH"! Thirty minutes huh?    :(

The Jeep has a true-neutral position that allows it to be towed without an externally powered pump. Darn thing weighs as much as thre or four SB's though.   :roll:

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Auto-stick as a Toad?

« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2006, 09:18:07 AM »
I don't know about the roll start deal, but the auto-stick has 1 pump driven by the engine that only controls the torque converter and not any thing else. The tranny has a "constant " mesh  gear train just like the standard 4 speed. If the axles/ diff. is turning the gear train is also turning even when its it neutral so it gets lubed. The fully auto Type-3 also has 0nly 1 pump and it is inside of the automatic section of the tranny( the last thing you get to when taking it apart) also driven only by the engine. That pump controls the torque converter and valve body and the whole nine yards . There is no final drive pump(axle driven) so if you tow the car at freeway speeds for a long distance you can kiss your tranny goodby. This applies to the Type-2 automatics also.  Same story on at least the early water-cool VWs. I have seen the aftermath on the fully automatics.
     I don't think that VW recommends towing any type of their automatic trannys for long distances at speed.
     I will check my archives to see about the semi-auto stick if I can find them.
    You could tow with a dolly under the rear wheels to be safe or take your half-shafts off(pain in the butt).

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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2006, 09:17:24 AM »
The tow dolly is something I wanted to avoid. The hassle of the extra piece of equipment to be dealt with is why we went to a BlueOx tow bar for the Jeep. Towing the VeeDub was just wishful thinking. I sure don't want to cook a tranny trying to save a few gallons of diesel in the RV!

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