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Offline ASBug

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Anyone interested in lending an extra hand?

« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2008, 10:05:27 AM »
Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"
Automatic-Stick with a "locked up" engine. Talk about  fun !  

Did you have to pull the engine AND transmission at the same time?
If so were you able to get to the itty bitty torque bolts, or did you have to pull the jugs and heads off and get primative with the long block to get it to turn?
KC

Offline Russ

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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2008, 10:56:01 AM »
Next time you don't have a sixteen year old and a pencil handy, try this fuel hose clamp: http://www.toolsource.com/steel-fuel-hose-clamp-p-78872.html

It won't damage the hose, and you can use it before you disconnect the fuel line and avoid spilling gas on yourself.

Offline ASBug

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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2008, 04:48:53 PM »
I look at that and think, I have most of the parts to make that.
Thanks for the post....
KC

Offline 74loaf

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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2008, 05:19:26 PM »
I must say I was rather surprised to see how small the torque converter is... looks like a fat frisbee or something. :lol:

And you may be right about how these motors seem heavier the older you get... but then again the type 4 motor's jugs and head actually do look bigger than the type 1 motor...

I just dont see (how) a bunch of hippies taking these motors out on the side of the freeway 30 years ago...

 :lol:  :roll:

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2008, 07:53:14 AM »
You can't " pull" the engine and transmission together on a Auto-Stick and you don't take the engine apart in the car.  What you do is make a BIG mess on the garage floor as you pull the engine out with the torque converter still bolted to the engine. Its a little tight but it can be done if you are careful. Just have a bucket of "kitty litter" standing by while the converter dumps itselve on the floor.
    A very different story on the fully automatic (type-4, type-3) You can pull the engine and tranny together.

Offline 74loaf

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« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2008, 05:33:10 PM »
wow, glad I dont have an auto-stick! Just kiddng! :lol:

I got the head and jugs off of cylinders 1 and 2 last night... and I'm hoping to have cylinders 3 and 4 apart tonight...

Cylinder #1 didnt look very good... I'm amazed it even had good pressure to be honest. The piston had a spot in the top of it where sometime in the past it had smacked a valve. the valves look ok,which leads me to think someone pulled the head and replaced the valve without replacing the piston as well.  :lol:  The piston itself also had some pretty good gouges down the sides of it, where it had scraped the cylinder walls pretty good at some point. The piston rings themselves looked ok, however the two upper rings were aligned wrong (their gaps were at the same point)
Of course this is just observational for now, since if I rebuild this motor I will replace these parts anyways.

Offline 74loaf

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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2008, 11:29:17 PM »
ok, so now the motor is pretty much disassembled, and heres what I found.

First, after removing the tin over cylinders 3 and 4 I found a nice spark plug socket, right between the jugs blocking any airflow lol.

Second: my oil cooler vents were clogged like crazy with some of that extremely brittle insulation stuff...not sure where it came from.





third Remember the cylinder that basically had no ompression? Well, THAT was the source of why my motor was so loud all right! it appears some time ago (possibly with previous owner or the one before) someone might have dropped a nut or something down the intake, and never went after it... have you ever wanted to know what it does when something hard like that starts banging around in your cylinder? well, apparently it keeps digging and digging till it finally finds a way out. and on mine all the damage was dont to the head itself as you can see here between the valves and along the sealing edge where the cylinder meets the head.



Well there you have it!

Offline ASBug

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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2008, 11:33:45 PM »
I'm impressed!  You did that quick, at least it looks like the lower end was OK and that your no compression is at last solved!
Keep us posted!
KC :D

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2008, 08:13:55 AM »
I just won a bet on what you would find on the cly. with no compression. This is not a uncommon thing. No loose parts did that damage.  The little alumn. sealing shim burned out leaving a gap between the head and cly.
 Everytime it fired on that cly. It acted like a blow torch and burned a wedge out of the head.  Head time. God only knows what else was running around in the engine.
      I think the fuzzy stuff on your cooler is the remains of a foam comp. seal that got gobble up by the fan at one time.
      More than likey all this damage was caused by high heat due to wrong Ing. timing and  blocked air cooling, no comp.seal etc.etc.
      I don't know how many plug sockets and new spark plugs I have found under the jug covers over the years.
      :lol:  :lol:

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2008, 08:39:24 AM »
Also I looked at the pic. a little closer and it looks like the exhaust valve seat  has " left the building" not that this matters due to the pie wedge burned out of the head.

Offline Russ

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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2008, 09:10:17 AM »
Quote from: "74loaf"

First, after removing the tin over cylinders 3 and 4 I found a nice spark plug socket, right between the jugs blocking any airflow lol.


Ha! I wonder how many new spark plugs have been lost over the years after being dropped behind the tin.

Offline ASBug

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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2008, 09:40:56 AM »
I think that I'll weld an extension to my spark plug socket to keep that from happening.
Hadn't even thought of that....
KC

Offline Russ

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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2008, 10:05:49 AM »
It's tricky on cylinders 2 and 4 on a Type IV engine. The spark plugs are deep beneath the tin, and they sit at an odd angle. If you had a magnet on an extension, you could probably fish them out if you dropped them.

Offline Russ

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« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2008, 10:45:46 AM »
Quote from: "ASBug"
I look at that and think, I have most of the parts to make that.
Thanks for the post....
KC


If you can make one for about $12, I'd buy it from you too. Here's a larger photo.

Offline 74loaf

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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2008, 09:47:36 PM »
Where would be a good place to order a rebuild kit from?  I'm thinking of just replacing all the bearings, cylinders, pistons, and heads and possibly a performance cam.

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