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Goal -- Make It "Run Like A Sewing Machine"

« on: June 17, 2012, 06:39:16 PM »
I know this forum is "for anything with wheels" so before you give me a hard time about this post . . . it has wheels (they are tiny and they are metal, but they are wheels!) . . . and it also has a crankshaft . . . and a flywheel . . .

This is my latest project.  I can do a lot of the work on it indoors with the air conditioning running, so I MIGHT actually finish this one!   ;D

We went to an antique auction a few weeks ago and Joy blew the better part of a $20 bill ($15 plus tax and a 10% buyer's fee) on this old, weathered, beat to $*** Singer treddle powered sewing maching.  She said that one of her coworkers wanted one.  I was glad she had a home for it, 'cause it looked R U F F!

Turns out her co-worker wasn't really interested in it.  So, I figured I'd try to clean it up a little and knock the dirt dobber nest and spider webs off of it and maybe I could pawn it off on someone through craigslist for 50 bucks or so.  I've seen thousands of these old machines in my life, but I've never really "LOOKED" at one before.  It's a pretty neat piece of machinery.  After knocking off most of the dirt dobbers, I got it turn over.  Hummm . . . wonder what a little oil would do for it?  ???  Next thing I knew, I was entranced watching all the levers, rods, pins and rollers moving around in it.  Got the treddle broke from it's rusted-into-one-piece state and with just a little effort, it whirrrrrrrrrrrrrs.  Then couriosity got the best of me.  Did a little online research and dated it by the serial number as being built in 1922.  A little more research pinned it down to a model 66-1.  Then I found a free pdf file of the parts list and one of the owner's manual online.  Most of the parts for this thing are still avalible.  You can get bobbins and needles for it a Wal-mart.

It needs a little help in cosmetic department, but the darn thing is 90 years old and has obviosly been rode hard and put up wet . . . and it still works!  I've ordered a new belt for it, and while I'm waiting on it, I'm going to do a little cosmetic work on the cabinet and I'm thinking 'bout having the treddle powder coated.  My plan started out as clean it up a little and try to get rid of it . . . Now my plan is to get it back into a usable state and keep it.  If the Myans were right and a polar shift knocks out the power grid on Dec. 21st . . . at least I'll be able to patch up my blue jeans!   ;D

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Re: Goal -- Make It "Run Like A Sewing Machine"

« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 08:29:34 PM »
Cool deal,  I am about rescuing cool old stuff

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Re: Goal -- Make It "Run Like A Sewing Machine"

« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2012, 08:33:09 PM »
Zen, after having been in the restoration biz for 5 years, I can honestly tell you that that one is in better shape than most.
Clean the wood with boiled linseed oil (Home depot - paint section and a ruff rag.)
Do not sand it.work the linseed oil into the finish and it'll lift off all the old damaged varnish.
if your paitent you'll have a looker.
If you want to sell it I'll double your monies right now before you doa any thing to it...
The bases on those things make cool tables.
I have a small desk I made the girls that has "CLIMAX" cast into the area where yours says "singer"
I have a base just like yours and a piece of granite to put on the top if it...
I'll post some photos soon.

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Re: Goal -- Make It "Run Like A Sewing Machine"

« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2012, 01:30:13 AM »
The bottom of the compartment the machine sets down in when closed is starting to delaminate, as is the surface of the top that faces down when closed and up when opened.  I think I can glue those back down.  There are few chips missing in the veneer on the bottom of the top, but unless you get underneath it and look up, they won't be a big distraction. The drawers and the rest of the cabinet are pretty straight and solid, but the finish has way too much patina!  I'll clean it up with boiled linseed oil and it should be fine . . . except for the top.

You can't really see it in the pictures, but the top surfaces of the cabinet are beat and cracked, and covered with glue, paint and, well, I'm not sure I want to know what some of that stuff is.   ;D    I think someone used it outside as a craft table at some point.  I'm 99% sure those surfaces are oak boards that were originally covered with a thin veneer.  They have a veneer on the bottom, so it only makes sense that there would have been veneer on the top.  My "plan" is to sand those surfaces flat and glue on a new piece of veneer.  I know I'll never be able to match the finish of the new wood with old finish, but it'll have to look better than it does now.  KC - I know you said DO NOT SAND IT . . . and I won't sand anywhere there is a finish, but I don't know of any other way to fix the top.  I'll make a picture of it later and show you what I'm dealing with.

The machine its self just needs a good, hard core cleaning on the moving parts.  Some of the gold and red paint has left the building leaving white in it's place, but I'm just gonn'a clean it and wax it and let it be.  There are several chrome pieces on it that are not perfect, but there is no way this machine is worth having them re-chromed.  Anyway, the worst part is the inspection plate on the back of the machine . . . it's got plating left on the inside, but the ouside of it is mostly rust with a little bit of shiny stuff peaking through here and there.  Who cares?  It's on the back of the machine . . . and it still covers the hole, it just isn't bright and shinny.  The tire for the bobbin winder needs to be replaced (it looks like a 90 year old tire) but other than that, it's about as good as new mechanically.  Nobody makes stuff to last like this anymore.   :(

I was considering taking the base apart and having it powder coated black. I think I've changed my mind about that.  I can take the cabinet off and have the frame soda blasted in one piece, then paint it with black rustolium . . . that way I can highlight the S in the Singer logo on each side in red and paint the raised letters gold.  It'll also be a heck of lot cheaper and easier than tearing it completely apart and paying for powder coating.

Joy says I'm obsessed with it.  It's mechanical, it's old, and it's made to last.  After having to work on a brand new made-in-China parking brake cable last week so I could get it to fit on my truck . . . it's easy to get obsessed when you see this kind of quality.
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Re: Goal -- Make It "Run Like A Sewing Machine"

« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2012, 01:55:55 AM »
Rustolium!
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Re: Goal -- Make It "Run Like A Sewing Machine"

« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2012, 02:17:56 AM »
My folks had one at our house growing up (still there!) except our pedal had been disconnected and made to power the electric motor to the machine. It was always fun to play with, but we had feather weights to sew with!! Now those are cool machines! And if you can find one in the box with all the parts (bobbin holder is most important) for less than a few hundred dollars, you are doing well! Mom got one at goodwill that someone donated and the receiving lady said to take it for free since she donated too!

For most of out sewing nowadays I use a Janome JemGold. It has sewn through all sorts of upholstery and denim without any problems. One day I'd like to get a commercial machine to sew through anything! I worked at a small sweat shop in high school for a summer and ran some of those. Way cool!

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Re: Goal -- Make It "Run Like A Sewing Machine"

« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2012, 08:07:37 AM »
My Mom used a Singer just like that for years. I loved to lay down on the floor when I was rug rat and watch all the monkey motion with the pedal and crankshaft. Mom refused to covert it to a electric motor. She said she had better control with her leg and foot.  I could testify to that on my backside when I got out of line.  ;D

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Re: Goal -- Make It "Run Like A Sewing Machine"

« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2012, 07:22:14 PM »
The new belt for the Singer came today.  Brake pads and rotors for the front of the Passat came today too.  Guess which one I installed?   ;D

I tried to wind a bobbin so I could give it a test run, but what was left of the old tire on the bobbin winder crumbled under the pressure.  Oh well, I'll just sit in front of it and play with treddle for now.  :D  The new tire shoud be here before the weekend.

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Re: Goal -- Make It "Run Like A Sewing Machine"

« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2012, 09:43:41 AM »
There was a bobbin with some old thread on it in one of the drawers.  I threaded up a new spool through all the thread guides (not easy when you don't have a lot of light and you can't half see anyway) and gave it a test run.  It sews!  It also takes a lot of tallent (which I've found I don't have) to keep the treddle running in the right direction . . . it makes a mess if you reverse it mid-stitch.   ;D 

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Re: Goal -- Make It "Run Like A Sewing Machine"

« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2012, 12:54:49 PM »
Now that I know everything works as it should, it's time to start tearing it apart.  To heck with the old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

I found a guy on eBay selling a 22" X 10' roll of oak veneer for 15 bucks (plus another 15 bucks to ship it).  I'm going to replace all the missing veneer, and repair or patch the rest.  I'll clean up the old finish with linseed oil and then try to match the new veneer to the old finish as best I can.

The iron base will get blasted and painted with gloss black Rustolium and then all the lettering and the high points on the Singer logo will get highlighted in gold.

It probably won't look quite as good as it did in 1922, but I'm sure it will look a whole lot better than it did two weeks ago.  The neat thing is that it works just as good as it did 90 years ago.

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Re: Goal -- Make It "Run Like A Sewing Machine"

« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2012, 08:54:18 AM »
My Mom used a Singer just like that for years. I loved to lay down on the floor when I was rug rat and watch all the monkey motion with the pedal and crankshaft.

David, I've played around with machine a little trying to teach myself to sew and last night it hit me like a ton of bricks.  You understand ignition timing on a VW engine as well as anyone and it's probably due to watching your mom turn that rocking monkey motion of her foot and the treadle into a smoothly rotating flywheel.

I've been in the training department at work for over 20 years.  My training job was teaching raw recruits how to set-up, maintain, trouble shot and repair Sulzer Projectile Weaving Machines.  I learned really fast that to teach an adult something new, you had to use written instructions and letures, but without hands-on visual aids (like cut-aways) they could see and feel, they may learn to make a setting, but they wouldn't really understand the importance of the setting and that would be a huge handicap when something went wrong and they were having to trouble shoot.

Here's where the treadle relates to ignition timing.  The treadle is the pistion going up and down in the cylinder.  Your foot pressure is the expanding gasses in the cylinder on the power stroke.  Your brain telling your foot when to begin pressing on the treadle is the ignition timing and your brain telling your foot whether to put the pressure on the toe or heel side of the treadle is the distributor putting the spark to the correct cylinder.

So you turn the switch to the start position and your VW engine starts spinning slowly in the correct direction *(on the sewing machine, that's you spinning the handwheel on the machine) . . . at the proper time, the ignition system makes a spark that ignites the compressed fuel/air mixture *(your brain telling you when to push down on the treadle just as the crankshaft crosses top or bottom dead center).  The rotation of the distributor turns the rotor to the correct lug on the cap to feed the spark to the correct cylinder *(that's your brain telling your foot whether to push with your toe or heel).

If you get the timing and spark distribution just right, you get a smooth running, efficiant engine that will push you down the road with a great deal of reliability *(or with the sewing machine, you get good smooth stitches, no broken threads or needles, neat looking seams, etc.).

If you get the spark to the cylinder late, you loose power and waste fuel creating heat that doesn't do any work . . . too late and the engine just won't run *(with the machine, you get a surging rotation that makes it really hard to do good work with the bussiness end of the machine).

If you get the spark to the cylinder too early, the fireball will hit the top of cylinder and try to push it back down while the crankshaft is trying to force it back up.  Getting the spark there just slightly too early can give you a little extra power, but it's coming at the cost of creating a lot of extra heat and physically damaging the engine, especially the tops of the pistions.  Spend a few miles going down the highway like this and your engine will be toast in pretty short order.  There comes a point when you get the spark to the cylinder so early that it just stops the rotation of the engine dead in it's tracks *(on the machine, you press the treadle very slightly too early and you can really get the thing whizzing, but it's keeping all the treadle parts under constant pressure that will cause it to wear prematurely.  If you press down more than just slightly too early, the momentum of the flywheel can't overcome the pressure of your foot and the machine will instantly reverse direction . . . depending on how fast your are going when it happens, it can do anything from messing up your work (at real slow speeds) or breaking the tread and creating a tangled mess to breaking needles or worse.  The faster you going when you "fire" too early or "on the wrong cylinder" the worse the mess/damage can be).

So, if anyone want's to REALLY understand ignition timing, try to sew with an old treadle powered sewing machine.  You can not only see it, you can feel it.  Related that to everything you've heard and read about ignition systems and some of the fog will lift, the smoke and mirrows will go away and the lights will come on.

Mom refused to covert it to a electric motor. She said she had better control with her leg and foot.  I could testify to that on my backside when I got out of line.  ;D

PS . . . David throwing a Dasher part at you when you start screwing up your ignition system is just a flashback to his mom's foot keeping him in line as a kid.  It's a hard job, but somebody's got to do it!

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