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Wierd question

« on: November 02, 2004, 07:27:26 AM »
I woke up this morning with this on my mind (don't recall if I was dreaming about it or not).
Question: Can you put a stock 1600 into a corvair? If so how difficult would it be? I imagine you'd also have to change out the transmission, etc. Would the year of the Corvair make a difference?

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Wierd question

« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2004, 08:07:27 AM »
I've heard of putting a Corvair engine :puke: in a Volkswagen but not the reverse. I think you have to use an aftermarket bellhousing for that but I've never heard of putting a Volkswagen engine in a Corvair.

I owned a Corvair convertible way back in 1973 and it was a TOTAL piece of ........uh,.....junk. I cleand that one up didn't I? :lol:  :lol:

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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2004, 09:21:02 AM »
Charlton, We need to set you down and have a very long talk. Like Herb , I had a Corvair once. I traded a home made engine stand for it. The car had hit a rock wall and messed up the hood and right head light. This Corvair was a 140 with a 4 speed and limited slip diff. 67 model I think. Belive this or not,It never leaked a drop of oil and it ran like a raped ape. I just could not keep fan belts on it. It needed a Hoover type belt. The later Corvair engines could be delt with ok
   When folks installed `Vair engines in there old swing axle vans ,you had to flip the ring gear over in the transmission because of the reverse rotation of the `vair engine. Crown Mfg who made the kit later came up with the reverse camshaft for the engine to reverse the engine rotation, then you didn`t have to mess with your tranny. This worked out very well and really put some "snap" into the old Hauler.
   Its to bad that GM didn`t leave the engine alone after all the time and effort that Porche and GM put into the project. Every time you see a 911 cruising by with that 6 cly, just think what could have been. Anybody that ever owned a 411/412 VW shouldn`t be to hard on the Corvair, Herb.
  I think I will buy one and park it next to my Gremilin. Maybe I will store them in Herbs back yard. What do you think about that ?
  Charlton, If you really want to do something like this, Buy a 411 VW and install a 40 hp 1200 and you will have the same "Warm Fuzzy" feeling.
  Herb, To bad you don`t have have that `vair convert today. You could have sold it and bought that $ 49,000 VW van and had enough money left over to go to the carwash and have someone put Lucille back together. :roll:

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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2004, 08:23:08 PM »
I've got a few old 'vair parts left over from my rear engined air-cooled GM days.  I was once the proud owner of a 62 Monza 2 door with a 2 speed powerglide automatic tranny.  Overall, it was not a bad car.  I had the stock (80 HP?) engine with only a few thousand miles on a complete rebuild.  It didn't leak oil OR sling belts and got good mileage to boot.  The only real problems I had were with the brakes and starter.

I left it parked at my mom's house for 1 too many years and ended up with $200 instead of the car . . . If I had the chance, I'd buy one just like for $200.  I originally gave $600 for it, but I did use it for a daily driver for about 4 years, so I guess I got my money out of it.  The best thing about owning it was it did break me in to the idea that putting the engine in back and making it air-cooled wasn't an altogether bad idea . . . BUT . . .

I would never go to the trouble to put a VW engine in a 'vair.  Some 'vair parts are not expensive because they are common, off the shelf, GM parts . . . the brake shoes are the same as Chevy II, hydraulic lifters are the same as a small block Chevy V8, the points, distrbutor cap and rotor button are the same as a 230 or 250 in-line 6 Chevy . . . but those "Corvair Only" parts are a different story.  If you want them, you MUST get them from Clark's Corvair Parts in Mass.  They have bought out all the other places that manufacture Corvair parts.  Needless to say, parts are expensive . . . and they didn't build 20+ million of them over half a century.  They only built them in limited numbers from 1960 - 1969 . . . it's not like you can go to the local bone yard and find a couple dozen of them to pull parts from.

If you do gather up all the parts you need, you still have to adapt the engine to the tranny and reverse either the engine or tranny, or somehow adapt the whole VW drive train to the Corvair.  Then, you've lost 2 cylinders . . . you've got spend some money to the get the VW engine pumping out the HP that the 'vair engine put out at stock (by the way, a stock Corvair wasn't 'overpowered' by any stretch of the imagination . . . the FACTORY 140 Horse 4 carbed version and the 150 and 180 Horse turbocharged versions were a different story).

Just my opinion, but there is nothing "wrong" with a Corvair.  If you want one, go ahead and get one.  Just keep it all Corvair.  It's less money and headaches and will be worth more in the long run.  Keep your VW engine in a VW . . . for pretty much the same reasons.

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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2004, 09:15:02 PM »
Well, to begin with I don't have a Corvair. What got me thinking (or dreaming) about that idea is that I know where one with a pretty good body is at a local junk yard. It is an earlier model (the kind that has those little fins coming off the fenders). Anyway, I was just thinking - Corvair - rear engine - VW - rear engine.
Thanks for all the info though, I needed a good excuse to clear some of that junk in my head out and make room for more useful information!  :D

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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2004, 10:07:43 PM »
Have you ever looked from the rear, looking down the side of an early body style Corvair ('60 - '64) two door hardtop?  How 'bout a the same view of a Type 3 Ghia?  They look they were made on the same assembly line . . .

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2004, 01:52:14 AM »
I can only see it from the road and the very first time that I saw it I thought that in fact in might be a Type 3 Ghia. There are no logos on it and I'm not 100% sure that it isn't a Ghia.

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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2004, 02:26:19 AM »
Was that supposed to be a weird question or a wired question?

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Wierd question

« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2004, 07:08:28 AM »
Either one Russ, it's OK.

I bought the convertible I had for $50. You could not keep spark plugs in it (litterally). It needed major work and with me just getting out of the Army at the time, I didn't have money or time to spend on it. I think I sold it for $25.

I do wish I had it now...............but only to sell. :lol:  :lol:

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