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Offline jrcnova

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Wide 5 conversion

« on: November 11, 2008, 01:43:38 PM »
Has anyone attempted to convert a 4 lug bug to wide 5?  If so, how did ya do it?

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 03:08:07 PM »
Ck. the ads. in Hot -Vw     I think Moores has a set of adapters to go either way.   4 to 5 and  5 to 4.    Some people do not like adapters and I think you can buy a blank 4 lug type drum and have someone drill them for wide -5

Offline jrcnova

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2008, 03:31:06 PM »
Thanks David.  I would rather not use adapters, not a fan of them at all.  Was wondering if it was possible to adapt say '65 drums to the front or rear of my '73 backing plates, shoes, etc.

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 06:57:43 PM »
Not sure of the splines being the same or not on the rear. On the front if you run drop spindles you can use 66-67 front drums just gotta change the bearings to fit the spindles Cb  Performance has the spindles and bearings probably the drums too.

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 07:48:20 PM »
Why would I have to run drop spindles?  Why would it not work with the stock spindles?

Offline Bugnut

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2008, 07:32:34 AM »
Some reason I thought you were going to lower it? It woud work with stok spindlees off a wide 5 ball joint car just the same.

Offline jrcnova

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2008, 11:38:42 AM »
I am going to lower it.  Would the adj. beam not slam it enough?

Offline certdubtech

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2008, 11:44:37 AM »
Yes, the beam will lower it.  but, it will handle like poo.  the cool thing about the dropped spindles is that you get 2.5 inches lower but still retain all of the factory pivoting points, then you can bring it douwn the rest of the way with the beam with less drastic change to the caster/ control arm angle....thereby minimizing the ill effect on the steering.

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Offline jrcnova

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2008, 11:47:22 AM »
That makes sense.  That was the answer I was looking for.

Offline Bugnut

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2008, 01:44:09 PM »
Quote from: "jrcnova"
That makes sense.  That was the answer I was looking for.


Didnt we all have this discussion in a lowering the car thread???  :? If your going to lower a bug always buy drop spindles...ALWAYS. Even if you dont want it real low for the reasons Rick explained it just the right thing to do.
So the final answer to the question at least for the front is: CB performance drop spindles with the bearing kit they sell and a set of 66-67 drums/backng plates.

 For the rear I know that up until around late 66 the rear AXLES are short AXEL/long spline. 67 is a long AXLE with short splines. I have no clue what the splines are on yours, so whatever fits that description is your ticket. For some reason I think yours are short spline? but you could just change the torsion bars as well. Considering,all new backing plates,drums,bearings,wheel cylinders...etc.... Thats alot of stuff to make a fat chick skinny again. :lol:
 
Unless you were considering changing all that anyways then it would be worth doing. Also consider reworking everything on it to make it look the part. If it has even one tale tale sign of being an older posing as an earlier it wont look right. Just my opinion.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2008, 04:50:27 PM »
Sweet Jesus !!!   I'm staying out of this one.  Next thing you will see will be Juan trying to make his Bug leap tall buildings. I wonder if a Super Beetle can  bounce/jump higher than a '64 Impala ?   Hmmmmm :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Offline jrcnova

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2008, 07:50:45 PM »
Apparently I missed the "lowering the car" thread.  Short of being a smartass, had I known that dropped spindles were so important, I would not have asked
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Why would I have to run drop spindles? Why would it not work with the stock spindles?
 With the help of 67bugnut (sorry, can't for the life of me remember your name) and Rick, I now know why dropped spindles are so important.  I was under the assumption that an adj. beam was sufficient.  Thanks for your help.  I know that I have asked tons of questions, but seeing as I have not dealt with VWs in about 12 years and have been in the street rod industry most of those years, I sometimes need some help and might ask duplicate questions.  Thanks 67bugnut for your help on the brake conversion info.  I know that this kinda stuff pisses off the purists, but they aren't funding my project.  I don't like any of the 4 lug wheels and about the only wide 5 wheels that I like are the stock ones.  For what I am trying to achieve, these are the wheels for me.  Therefore, I am willing to try the conversion.

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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2008, 07:50:44 AM »
The conversionis totaly worth doing, dont get me wrong. I'm in no way a "purist " Unless they came stock an inch of the ground. :lol:  But definetly get the drop spidles without them it'll ride like poo. I may have a set of rear torsions you can have if yours wont work for ya.

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2008, 08:07:51 AM »
Are rear torsions the part that is behind the spring plate?

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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2008, 09:05:32 AM »
Quote from: "jrcnova"
Are rear torsions the part that is behind the spring plate?


Yup,I'll be out in the garage later today messin around I'll test fit some drums from my old 67 and see what I figure out. I'm having a brain fart,what I meant to say was the axle splines. pre 67 the AXLE slines are short axle long splines 67 long axle short spline. Now would be the time to figure it out while the body is off the pan and you can get to the trans to swap axles.

Ok I dont know what I was sayin before but here's the correct swap info:

get the drop spidles for a 66-67 with 66-67 front drums since they are balljoint and 5 lug. Then swap the rear axles(not torsions :lol: )To an earlier axle and add the appropriate drums....walla 5 lug! Check wth David about swappin axles he can fill you in on it. If you plan on going pretty low contact Mike Womack on samba. He builds a very nice set of notched and extended spring plate that will correct the toe end on the rear of the car.

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