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Offline lonnie1952

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Vacumn Advance distributor

« on: February 20, 2009, 01:06:20 AM »
Ok Guys More info Please
I am VERY well versed in engines I built them for year as a Living.
I am pretty good with fuel injection stand alone systems. Most of this is with the Modern V8
OK here goes...Vacuum advance distributors Advance the timing when under low to part throttle high vacuum conditions..... they increase timing when your engine is NOT under load, giving us a little better drivability and better fuel economy.
I keep hearing that the Vacuum advance VW Distributors Advances timing when you PUSH on the throttle or Advances timing under a load. Are VW backwards ??
I WILL test one for myself. This is a first for me
The timing should fall to manual/mechanical settings when the load increases therefore stopping detonation..So are VW distributors Backwards ?
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Offline Zen

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Re: Vacumn Advance distributor

« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2009, 11:49:11 AM »
Quote from: "lonnie1952"
Are VW backwards ??. . . So are VW distributors Backwards ?


VW's aren't backwards, all other makes are!   :lol:  There are lots of different distributors for air-cooled VWs but the most common are the 009 (double-o-nine) and SVDA (Single Vacuum, Dual Advance).

The 009 is a purely mechanically (centrifical) advanced distributor.  The faster the engine turns, the more advance you get, up to the maximum built into the distributor.  These distributors are cheap and work OK with some engines and carb set-ups.  However, they DO NOT work with stock 34 carbs.  There are all kinds of "tricks" to make this combination work and I've tried 'em all . . . none of them work.  The engine will run, but it will bog down every time you step on the gas.

The SVDA has both vaccuum and mechanical advances.  The vacuum advance pulls the points plate to advance the timing as you step on the gas.  The mechanical takes over and advances it even further as the engine speed increases.

As for how this is different than, lets say, a small block chevy . . . it's been way to many years since I worked on one.  My best guess would be that if there is a difference, it may be due to manifold vacuum vs. venturi vacuum.  Manifold vacuum will drop when you open the throttle plate opens due to the increased air flow into the manifold, but at the same time, venturi vacuum increases due to the increased air flow through the carb's venturi.  The VW SVDA distributors use venturi vacuum.

Offline lonnie1952

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It would appear

« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2009, 04:37:45 PM »
While NEW to the Bug scene I am NOT new to the Internal combustion Engine.
I am one of the Weird people who MUST know how things work for I truly believe that a person CANNOT fix something he does NOT understand. As well if he does NOT understand something he cannot fix it.
It would Appear so far that the VW distributors work just like any other vacuum advance distributor. As the load on the engine is increased...the vacuum signal is lower and the timing is PULLED out of the engine...as the load on the engine is Decreased...causing MORE vacuum ...the timing is Increased or better fuel economy. With the Vacuum advance distributor you can have better fuel economy under light throttle without sacrificing any Power under Full throttle and increased Idle quality and Part throttle drivability.  
I spent many years as a certified mechanic with Many hours of Schooling.
This is what led me to Investigate this.
So far what I have noticed is Most people do not understand the workings of Vacuum Advance and the many advantages of it. While I am new to VWs maybe I can shed some light on the workings of an Internal combustion engine.
Unless a person is only concerned about racing then a Vacuum advance has many advantages for a street engine. The "Dual Port" vacuum distributors Also PULL timing OUT of the engine at Certain RPMS to help with Emissions...another story
Here are the Specs I pulled up fo a Vacuum Advance VW Distributor.
Please feel free to Explain if I have the operation of a VW distributor backwards..I am ALL ears
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VW Mexico Vacuum distributor Bruck Vacuum distributor
ENGINE
RPM Crank degrees of mechanical advance Crank degrees of mechanical advance
800 0 0
1000 0 0
1200 2 2
1400 4 4
1600 10 8
1800 11 10
2000 12 12
2200 13 12
2400 14 14
2600 15 15
2800 16 15
3000 17 16
3200 18 18
3400 19 18
3600 20 20
3800 22 22
4000 23 22
     
Vacuum advance Inches of Vacuum

1 Degree ......3 inches  vacuum
2 Degree...... 4 inches  vacuum
3 Degree...... 5 inches  vacuum
4 Degree ......6 inches  vacuum
5 Degree ......8 inches  vacuum
6 Degree ..... 9 inches  vacuum

the degreees of Advance are ADDED as vacuum is Increased

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