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Type 3 engine question.

« on: October 18, 2005, 09:00:16 PM »
Anybody know if you can put a type 3 engine in a type 1 bug? are the mounts different or is it a whole different beast? I know the tins are way different,can you just switch to type 1 tins? Thanks in advance to any body that knows.

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Type 3 engine question.

« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2005, 09:20:38 PM »
I did a search on the Southeastern Forums for a "type 3 engine in Beetle" and got no hits.  I did find a topic about converting a type 3 engine to an upright for use in a type 3, though.

I'll keep looking, but for now, the engine case is the same, except for the oil filler neck is located at the rear of engine and connects to the case at the bottom of the case...not unlike a type 4 engine.  The oil cooler lays down, but there are conversions for tin to accomodate that feature.  There are also hookups for an engine mount at the rear of the engine.

I don't "know for a fact" that it can or can't be done, but I'm inclined to say that it can.

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Type 3 engine question.

« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2005, 12:11:10 AM »
Travis, What are you trying to accomplish. Type-3 into a Bug or a Bug into a type-3 ?  I don't know why you would go to the trouble to convert a  type-3 into a type-1 unless its the only engine you have to work with. Other than the dip stick and oil pressure switch (mounted on the oil cooler and has no hole in the case for it) issue its very easy to convert.  
     You won't really gain anything .  Your 1600cc Super has 60 hp while the 1600cc type-3 has 65 hp do to the injection system. If you put a twin carb outfit on your Super you would have about the same hp.
    If you try to install a type-1 into a type-3 you are going to have a fan housing stuck up in the rear cargo area. If you build a cover for the housing you are going to have a heck of cooling problem much less losing room to haul anything.
     Maybe I missed something, but why would you want to convert a type-3 engine into a type-1 and put it back into a type-3. You have been working on type 4s . type-3 engines should be a snap for you.

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Type 3 engine question.

« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2005, 12:42:26 AM »
no bugtech,it's me w/ the type 3 motor. I was wondering if I could put it in a bug.

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2005, 08:37:12 AM »
OOOPS !  Sorry Travis . I thought it was you that wanted to do the conversion.
        Scott, If you are intent on putting yourself through that kind of headache, Why don't you just stuff a 2 liter Type-4 in your car. They make a up-right kit for those varmits,but God help you when its time to service the engine.  Even better, buy a 930 Turbo Porsche and convert it into a Bug. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2005, 10:29:20 AM »
Yep, not me, man.

Here is a picture of that type 3 engine-in a type 3-with upright tin conversion...for whatever reason it was done.  This person better hope that the engine compartment is good and sealed off from the passenger compartment...that's what the engine lid seals are for.



You know, in the Beetle and even in the Bus, the engine compartment is sealed off from the elements from below.  The type 3 has just a seal on the engine compartment lid...I always wondered why the engine compartment wasn't sealed off like the rest of the VW type engines were.

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2005, 10:59:37 AM »
point taken to hell with all that! I guess I'll put it back where it belongs.

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2005, 11:41:16 AM »
From what I have been told years ago, VW isolated the top of the engine from the bottom to help cool the engine. Just think about it. The air will travel the path of least resitance. With the tin or rubber seal missing and the fan getting its cooling air from inside the engine compartment while you are driving down the road,guess what the air is being drafted over first ?  A big ole hot muffler !!  You will get more air that way than through the little dinky vents,but its very hot air. Bye-bye heads after awhile.
     Type-3s got their air through the side fender vents then around the body panels to the rear then through the big rubber bellows straight into the fan housing. They still ran hotter than a Beetle.
     If you Guys want to play Russian Roulette with your type-4 powered Westys,Then leave that $40 piece of foam rubber off. They have a big muffler to help things cook down.They still run hot.
     I can't stress enough it seems, That every piece of sheet metal, compartment seal is just as important as putting oil in.
     Travis , I noticed that the type-3 pic you put up has a 2 barrel carb plus a turbo. I wonder if this Dude uses a stop watch to see how long his engine will stay together ? :roll: That critter has to run hot.

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2005, 12:02:45 PM »
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If you Guys want to play Russian Roulette with your type-4 powered Westys,Then leave that $40 piece of foam rubber off. They have a big muffler to help things cook down.They still run hot.


I just changed the one in Oscar for the second time.  I was amazed at how quick the material broke down.  It was really brittle in some areas, so much that it just took a finger scrape to make it fall apart, whereas in other areas, it still looked and felt brand new.  I will never run my bus without that seal in place.  It gets hot enough with it.  

I must be doing something right, because I usually do the "touch" test after running a long time...I touch the fan shroud, I touch the dipstick, and I touch the rear bumper.  When you can hold onto the dipstick without getting burned, then something must be right.  When the rear bumper gives you 3rd degree burns, then I assume something's not right...which then leads me to touch the fan shroud, the dipstick...then head straight for the aloe. :withstupid:

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Type 3 engine question.

« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2005, 12:07:14 PM »
And another thing.  Some folks desided to cool their oil down. Great idea,but why would you stick a oil cooler radiator in front of the cooling fan so you could suck 180-190 degree temp. into your already very hot monster engine ?  Does this make any sence ? Stick the dang thing up on the roof where it belongs and hide it with a Pizza delivery sign. :lol:  :lol:

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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2005, 12:44:25 PM »
Travis , Of course you are doing things right. If not, how could explane the reason that your Westys are "Jam Up" and ready to go. Bottom line, You take of it and it will take of you.  I really belive that these "Critters" have some kind of a Mechanical/ Spiritual soul. Why else would we cuddle,clean, give them the best parking place at home, chase down their  history, much less give them a name. I always felt sorry for the Bugs/Vans that came into my shop looking like the gates of hell after a few years from new. I use to get some strange looks when I chewed the owners out for not taking care of their rolling stock. I couldn't help it even if it did make me a lot of money putting them back together. I guess this is the reason I  got tangled up with the VolkFolks. Just to help if I can.

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