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« on: May 18, 2009, 10:41:44 PM »
I got the last of my oil leaks fixed a couple of weekends ago.  I replaced the oil pressure sending unit at the oil cooler, the engine to oil cooler flange gasket and the oil cooler O-Ring.  I am pretty sure that the flange gasket was the worst part of the leak but the sending unit was leaking a good bit too.  I don't think the O-ring was leaking, but it was only a buck or so and I was in there already . . .

Anyway, everything went fine.  Only took about 4 or 5 hours for Justin and myself to do this one man, 30 minute job.   :lol:  We got it all back together and started it up.  Took about 10 seconds for the oil light to go out (oil cooler, filter and cooler flange were empty, so that made sense to me).  Nothing was leaking, everything seemed perfectly OK.   But, ever since then almost every time I axcellerate extremely hard the oil light will start flashing and something is beeping a pretty fast rate.  It won't stop until I turn the engine off.  When I start it back up, the oil light goes out almost immedialtely like it should.  Again, it only does this during very hard excelleration and it never did it before.

Any ideas whats wrong?

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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2009, 10:44:56 PM »
Oh yeah, this is 2.0 L 8 valve engine / automatic tranny

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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2009, 08:03:28 AM »
Depending on how often the oil got changed in this car, there could be sludge/ crap built up in the oil pump pick-up.  Also, if somebody has replaced the oil pan, if they used too much silicone, we see a bunch of them that the silicone bead breaks free inside the oil pan, and gets sucked up into teh pick-up.  Just an idea.  also, make sure you use an o.e. style oil filter on it.  We fixed a lot of oil pressure lights at Lockharts by changing the oil filter to a mann/mahle style filter and topping off the oil level. 8)

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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2009, 05:56:48 PM »
So the only thing that will make the oil light flash and beep is low oil pressure?

In the past 6 months I've put a new oil pan gasket on it, intake gaskets, valve cover gasket, crank, cam and intermediat shaft seals, and maybe a couple of other gaskets . . . basically, every seal and gasket except the rear main.  On some of the paper gaskets I used a tiny bit of high temp silicone that I rubbed into the gasket . . . not enough to squeeze out a bead anywhere.  All the seals and gaskets I've put on were supposed to be OEM parts (according to autohausaz.com where I bought them).  The car did spend 10 years in the rust belt (Penn and NJ) but it only had 75,000 miles on it when we bought it . . . and I saw the car facts report to support that it was the correct milage.  It has 80 something K on it now.  There was no sign of sludge under the valve cover or in the oil pan when I had them off and I didn't use any silicone on the pan gasket.

I'm 99.99999% certian that it's something related to the last oil leak I fixed (oil cooler O-ring and flange gasket, oil sending unit).  It has never done this before and it did it the first time I drove it after repairing the leak.  I changed the oil and filter while I was at it . . . Castrol 10W40 oil and a Bosch filter.  Oil level is right on the full mark.

Think the filter may be the problem?  Could it be a bad sending unit?

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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2009, 07:22:14 PM »
Was the oil pressure switch that you installed the same color as the old one?  The different colored switches will set the oil pressure warning off at different pressures.

I used to see a lot of MK2 cars come in with oil pressure lights on and fixed them by changing the filter and putting straight 30 weight oil in them.  Fram/Valvoline/cheap filter of any sort = bad.  If you don't have a factory filter on it, put one on.

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2009, 09:17:24 PM »
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Was the oil pressure switch that you installed the same color as the old one?  The different colored switches will set the oil pressure warning off at different pressures.


Besides the unfinished silver/whitish metal, I didn't notice any color . . . but I wasn't really looking.  Would the whole thing be a different color or would it be marked somewhere on it (like the top or the threads)?

I'll change the filter and see what happens.  If that doesn't help, I'll go back to 20W50.  If that doesn't help, I'll get another sending unit.

If that doesn't fix it, I'll take it over to Smelly Cat's place and see if I can borrow a switch out of an old kenmore to rig it up to bypass the sending unit when I'm accellerating.   :wink:

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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2009, 06:33:30 AM »
The plastic insert is what's color coded, usually white, or brown, or blue, something like that....
And, yes, even though it says bosch, those filters are little more than a grey painted fram filter.  def. replace it with an o.e. style filter.  Minly foreign sells the mann or mahle filters. 8)

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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2009, 07:48:03 AM »
Rick,  Correct me if I'm wrong,  but wasn't there also a little printed board behind the dash that control some the functions of the oil pressure switches/ buzzer. It seems to me that I had to replace a lot of those boards.

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2009, 08:49:38 AM »
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Rick,  Correct me if I'm wrong,  but wasn't there also a little printed board behind the dash that control some the functions of the oil pressure switches/ buzzer. It seems to me that I had to replace a lot of those boards.
  should have read: " Oil pressure switches, warning lights, warning buzzer"    My '83 GTI had 2 oil pressures switches,  One on the oil filter/ cooler housing and one on the back of the cly head.   They had different "Bar" Values.

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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2009, 01:16:25 PM »
10-4 on the different bar values, so if you use the wrong one, it will keep setting of the oil buzzer even if nothing is really wrong.
 These cars have sealed clusters, you can only replace the bulbs, they don't use the old style external printed circuit boards like you had on the gti...

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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2009, 02:00:34 PM »
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10-4 on the different bar values, so if you use the wrong one, it will keep setting of the oil buzzer even if nothing is really wrong.
 These cars have sealed clusters, you can only replace the bulbs, they don't use the old style external printed circuit boards like you had on the gti...
Bummer.   Thats progress regardless   :(

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2009, 03:50:22 PM »
Yeah... the newer clusters you can't even replace a bulb in. I had a tt yesterday that needed a new cluster....$829.00.... :shock:
An old air-cooled car looks better every day. :D

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2009, 06:45:17 PM »
I went back to autohausaz.com and looked up the switch I bought.  Here's the description:

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Oil Pressure Switch; 0.25 Bar; 1 Pin Blue/Black Insulator
Please verify appearance, connections, and pressure range of existing unit prior to ordering. Can be used in place of blue, black or brown insulator type with 0.15-0.3 bar rating. 1 per car.


Guess I should have paid a little closer attention to the description (I bolded the statement I really should have read!   :lol: )  Anyway . . .  Does anyone know if that's the correct switch?

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2009, 07:44:34 PM »
Zen, unless you're engine is clattering like an old diesel I'd say that the engine is making enough oil pressure to keep the switches happy.  On your car, there's 2 different oil pressure switches - one on the cylinder head and one on the oil filter housing.  The one on the cylinder head can be either brown or blue - the brown one activates at .3 bar  (4.4 psi) and the blue one at .25 bar (3.6 psi).  The switch on the filter housing should be white - it activates at 1.8 bar (26 psi).

Make sure that you don't have the switch for the head installed on the filter housing or vice-versa.  I've seen that done before and it causes all sorts of "fun" before you figure it out.

BTW, VW calls this it's "Dynamic Oil Pressure Warning System".  Check out this link, it's got a pretty easy method of how to check the system.

http://reflectionsandshadows.com/cabby/dopws.html

Have fun   :D

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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2009, 09:22:56 PM »
Thanks dubtech!  I put a .25 bar switch in the filter housing.  #-o   I haven't messed with the other one.  I'll get the correct sensor and filter on it and go from there.   8)

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