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Offline Javabirds

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Shop essentials?

« on: August 22, 2009, 10:54:47 AM »
What kind of things should a newbie have in his shop?  Maybe I am just "nesting", but I would like to know where to start.  What should I have right off and what should I pick up along the way?  I am thinking tools & consumables.  Really, what do you find indespensable to VW care & repair?

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2009, 12:22:52 PM »
Depending on what VW you want to get up close and personal with you may
 have to have deep pockets.  I would start out with a complete METRIC hand tool collection. rachets ( 3/8 - 1/2 ) open end/ box end , sockets and a hammer or two,  A timing light with the advance knob(very important )
     You could buy a lot of this stuff at Harbor Freight if you don't mind replacing the cheap stuff all the time or you could buy Craftman at Sears and have a tool breakage warranty on a lot of their tools. You could go crazy and run down a Snap-On , Matco  truck. Great tools Much$$$$$$$$$.  I  have a mixture in my tool box . Craftman works just fine.  
      I have given you just enough info to get yourself in trouble now. There are lot of VW special tools out there but I don't how far you want to go on servicing your VW , whatever it end up to be.
      Just remember you are just one "click" away from a lot of help and advice. Don't hesitate to ask even though you might think it is a stupid question. It might keep you out of trouble.  We all had to start  somewhere and that wasn't on page 20 in the service manual :lol:  :lol:

Offline Smelly_Cat

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2009, 06:22:33 PM »
jack stands and car ramps and a fire extinqusiher.   one of those metal sticks with a magnet on it,     Pawn shops often have a big piles of tools cheap, alot of them are real quality stuff,  just scratched a bit.  All i every use is channel locks and vice grips any way  sc

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2009, 10:21:52 PM »
Yeah, what they said!

You MUST have a set of metric combination wrenches . . . Cheap ones from Harbor Freight or the local flea market will will work fine for most stuff, but like Ret. Bugtech said, Craftsman's are good.  Anything more expensive than Craftsman is overkill . . . unless you run across some old German made wrenches with off-set box ends.  I used to have some German "Gedore" brand wrenches I used at work . . . wish I still had 'em! You're hand wrench set must include an 8,10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, and 19.  Sometimes you might need two of the same size . . . your second set could be a cheap one.  If you can afford it, add a 20, 21, 22, 24, 27, 32, and 36.  If you can't afford the bigger ones, get a big adjustable.

Get a good ratchet and socket set.  Well, at least get good ratchets.  Here's a tip . . . if you get a set that includes 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drive ratchet and pay less than $20 for 'em all, get a big box of knuckle band-aids and big bottle of aspirin.  Get as many sockets as you can afford!  Get a few good extensions too . . . and a set of U-joint adapters for getting at stuff at a slight angle.  The best ones are more like a CV joint than a u-joint . . . but they cost more.  Seems to be a common theme in tools . . . the better ones cost more than the crappy ones.   :wink:

 :idea:  If you are working on an old VW long, you'll run into the need for a good continuity light, and a good wire stripper/cutter/crimper and a variety of crip-on terminals.  :idea:

Of course you'll need stuff like pliers, screwdrivers, and a couple of hammers - a small ball peen and a 3 pounder.  :twisted:

You'll also need a good floor jack (a small one will do) and like SC suggested, a set of ramps and a set of jack stands . . . and a magnet-on-a-stick.  And a fire extinguisher.  Maybe two of those.  Three if you live in the “triangle.”  You have to read the “Help With A Slow Starter” thread to understand that one!   :lol:

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2009, 10:27:26 PM »
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention . . .

The most important tool to have is knowledge.  No one was born with it, you have to aquire it.  You can aquire it through trial and error, but it can get expensive in a hurry.  If you're on a budget, learn how to use other peoples knowledge.  It's pretty easy around here . . . like Ret.Bugtech said, just ask.  8)

Offline Russ

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2009, 12:17:31 AM »
If you end up with a late bus, in addition to the standard stuff these are nice to have:

- Corbin ring pliers for removing the oil filler neck. You can use vise grips or whatever, but the ring is so high tension it's nice to have the right tool so it doesn't snap off when you're trying to put it on or remove it.

- Fuel line clamp, it beats shoving a pencil in the end of the hose when you're changing the fuel filter or fuel lines. And you will be changing fuel lines.

- A good multimeter, especially for fuel injection components. Bonus if it also measures tach/dwell.

- Vacuum gauge, fuel pressure gauge also for fuel injection.

- Bentley manual, last but not least.

Don't be afraid to shout out for help on here, we all need help at some point or another and the people in this club are never afraid to lend a hand, some advice, or a wrench.

Offline Bugnut

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2009, 01:03:01 PM »
There's alot of stuff to buy but the best tool to have around is a Rickie or David if you get in over your head. :lol:

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2009, 08:52:22 AM »
Precisely why i keep my self around, Scott...... :lol:

But yeah, i'd do the basic metric starter set up from Craftsman, jack stands, floor jack, multimeter, test light, and a FIRE EXTINGUISHER.... try not to go overboard, build up the tools gradually and you won't end up with a bunch of stuff you have no need for.... A common mistake for many starting out is to overbuy.

Last, To repeat what Zen said, always ask when in doubt.

Offline Javabirds

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Jack stands

« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2009, 10:09:36 AM »
Maybe I am over thinking this, but the '79 owners manual states that the unladen weight of a Campmobile is 3296 lb and gross weight of 4961 lb with gross axle weight of 2208 lb front and 2800 lb rear.  2 ton jack stands should support up to 4000lb right?  3 ton stands should handle up to 6000lb right?

It seems like 3 ton jack stands would be more than enough.  Then I found this link on Richard Atwell's page:

http://gerry.vanagon.com/files/technical/james-brills-awesome-tool-list.txt

Anyway, the guy recommends getting a 3 ton floor jack and 6 ton jack stands.  Again I am over-thinking this, but I don't want to get squished.  Aren't the 3 ton jacks more than enough?  Is there any reason to go with the 6 ton?

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2009, 12:53:48 PM »
Tain't  no such thing as "too Much" jack stand.  I have a real "Jones" about having a wheel less auto getting up close and personal with my body. :shock:

Offline virgo062

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2009, 12:54:38 PM »
You can never over think when it comes to a VW...

A tolerant siginificant other, a family with a sense of humor and a bottle of the very best (if you have any money left) Tequila whatever you can afford and 1 shot glass..Happy Halloween

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2009, 12:57:53 PM »
Quote from: "virgo062"
You can never over think when it comes to a VW...

A tolerant siginificant other, a family with a sense of humor and a bottle of the very best (if you have any money left) Tequila whatever you can afford and 1 shot glass..Happy Halloween
You forgot the gas can and a Bic Lighter :lol:  :lol:

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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2009, 01:51:05 PM »
Quote from: "virgo062"
. . . and a bottle of the very best (if you have any money left) Tequila whatever you can afford and 1 shot glass..Happy Halloween


Trust me on this one . . . Tequila is one time the cheap stuff works as good as the "very best."  And if you need a shot glass, you don't really need the Tequila that bad.  Don't ask how I know these things.   :wink:

Offline Javabirds

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2009, 02:41:38 PM »
Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"
Tain't  no such thing as "too Much" jack stand.  I have a real "Jones" about having a wheel less auto getting up close and personal with my body. :shock:


right.  I think I might have gotten taken by a sweet sale and a nice box...  
Our local sears and tractor supply co are right next door to one another, so naturally I checked both places.  Sears had a deal on a 3 ton pair of craftsman stands.  Now that I have them home, I am noticing the fine print:
they are 3 ton combined, per pair.  
The manual also says that they are made to support only one end at a time and they may fail if I used them with another pair.  
Is this normal?  What if I wanted to put the whole thing up?  Most importantly, should I feel ripped?  3 ton was the largest at either store, but tractor supply sold individual 3 ton jacks - not 3 ton "pairs"

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2009, 02:24:18 PM »
Several years ago I put the rear of a 62 Corvair up on 12" concrete blocks and worked underneath it for an hour or so. I crawled out and leaned against the side of the car to take a break and the blocks crumbled and the whole thing hit the ground with a thud. :shock:   Now I use jack stands and back them up with more jack stands and leave the jack in place as well.  I also look around for other things to throw under the car to absorb the impact if it falls . . . spare tires, chunks of firewood . . . just about anything except concrete blocks.  Also, once it's in the air I do my best to push it off the jack stands before I get under it.  If it's gonna fall, I want to do so before I get under it.

Unless I need to work on the suspension or brakes, I like to use ramps instead of jacks and jack stands.  If you want all 4 corners up in the air, you need to use good, heavy duty jack stands.  Look at the best ones they sale at Wal-Mart . . . if they are not obviously at least twice as heavy duty as those, don't trust 4 of them to keep the car from falling on you.  Like RetBugtech said "Tain't no such thing as "too Much" jack stand."

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