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Offline eakanator

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replacing rubber & chrome around window

« on: September 21, 2004, 02:40:10 AM »
Is there a trick to replacing the rubber around the back window? Struggled most of the night trying to get the glass to go in the groove with no luck, just kept slipping back off.
 On reassemble is the steps, put the rubber around the window, then install the chrome, then try to re-intsall the window?  
Thanks
Ron

Offline Ret.Bugtech

replacing rubber & chrome around window

« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2004, 08:19:49 AM »
Ron, There is no real trick as far as I know except sometimes it takes more than two hands to keep it on. Put the chrome in first. Odds are you will never get the chrome in after the fact without bending it all up. If all else fails, there is the glass company down the street who could put it in less than 10 min. Having a high quality rubber means a lot also. Its a little hard to show how to do this on the forum.  Good Luck !

Offline eakanator

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replacing rubber & chrome around window

« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2004, 08:28:23 AM »
Thanks David,
I'll try one more time tonight, if that fails we'll give it to the glass shop. Finding Brazil made stuff if fine, but wish now I'd opt'd for the German made stuff.
Ron

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2004, 08:16:26 PM »
When it comes to window rubber, I'd take new Brazilian rubber over German NOS any day.  I put an NOS American style window rubber on my 63's windshield . . . it shrunk and cracked in the corners within 6 months.  I've got cheap Brazilian Cal-Look rubber on my 74 Super that still looks great after almost 9 years.

I'm not sure I understand exactly what step you're having trouble with, but . . .

When you are trying to put the seal on the glass, do not use ANY lubrication of any type . . . it doesn't make it go on any easier, but makes it easier for it to pop back off.  Make sure the rubber is warm.  The warmer the better . . . to a point anyway.  Laying out on asphalt for a little while on a sunny day will do the trick.  If your REALLY careful about how long you "cook" it, a microwave will work.  Really, it will.  Been there, done that.  Just don't overcook it.  And don't put the trim in the microwave.  Just the rubber.

Once the rubber is on the glass, put the trim in it.  Then install it in the car.  I have done a whole lot of Cal-Look window rubber, but only the one American style.  Cal-Look is definilty easier.  If it's getting the trim in the rubber that you having trouble with, make sure your trim and rubber match . . . the older American style rubber used a metal trim that had a "C" shaped cross section.  The rubber had more or less just a slit for the trim.  The newer American style rubber used a chromed plastic trim that had kind of an inverted "T" profile that went down in the rubber.  If you've got the old style rubber, you'll probably never get the plastic style trim into the grove.

For installing the window back into the car, I have found that a large gauge Weed Eater cord works great.  So does 12 or 14 gauge automotive wire.  Both are relitively thin, but don't "bite" into the rubber.  Wrap the cord around the groove where the lip of the body goes.  When you install the glass into the car you need to use some lubrication.  Most people say use soappy water.  Some use petroleum jelly.  I've heard of people using WD-40 . . . or lots of other lubricants.  Now, don't laugh . . . I use K-Y Jelly.  Just a little on the sealing lips of the seal, and a little on the back of the seal (the part that you pull over the lip of the body with the cord.  Wrap the cord through the groove all the way way around the glass and overlap it on the bottom so that one of the cord is hanging out in one bottom corner, it wraps all the way around and the other end hangs out the other lower corner.  Center the glass in the opening.  Push (gently) the glass into the body.  Start in one bottom corner, go across the bottom pulling the cord out while someone is, again, genltly, pushing on the glass in the area where the cord is coming out.  When you start up one side, stop pulling that end of the cord and get the other end . . . pull it out back across the bottom . . . work a few inches on one side then the same amount on the other.  When you get the cord pulled all the way out, the glass should be in place.

OK, now that you are totally confused . . .

David was right (as usual) . . . this really is something that's a little hard to show how to through the forum.  We need to have "Tech Session" one day and install some glass.  Everyone does it a little different.  If we were all in one place at one time doing this "hands on" I'm sure we could all learn a trick or two.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

replacing rubber & chrome around window

« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2004, 08:23:34 AM »
Zen,  U-Da-Man.  I use to put a little "slickem" on the outside of the seal where it fits into the body to kinda help to ease the glass into the opening, but like you said , NOT on glass/seal unless you have about  5 people helping you hold things together.

Offline eakanator

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replacing rubber & chrome around window

« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2004, 09:23:09 AM »
Since it is in good shape, I was trying to use my orginal trim whic has the C curvature. It's having a hard time trying to say in.  Last night as I layed the trim in the seal, had Rebecca put small tie wraps all the way around it. Thought maybe if we allowed the trim to settle in for a day before trying to install the glass, maybe the trim won't pop out.
earlier in the week, since I wasn't sure whether to put the trim in first, tried it both ways. I did put a little soap around the rubber, didn't seem anything wanted to co-operate very well. The seal I got from Bug-Zone said it was for (I think) 68-72.  

Ron

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replacing rubber & chrome around window

« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2004, 10:00:11 AM »
Now that I'm thinking about it, would like a piece of advice. Even though I have the old trim laying in the seal, would it make more sense to try to buy the new trim to match new rubber? There is a glass place here that will install the glass in the seal for me, but don't want to worry about having trim start popping out latter on or find out the glass place can't do it because of mis-matched stuff.

Offline eakanator

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replacing rubber & chrome around window

« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2004, 10:56:40 AM »
Wish I could retract my last e-mail, Bug-zone's web site said that their rubber seals are made to work with the old chrome.  
We will endeavor to persevere.
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Offline 71SuperBee

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This is a pop out window question

« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2005, 06:38:26 PM »
hey there everyone, i know this isn't part of this topic but,

 where can i find screws to screw my pop out window latch to the car? does anyone know what size screws they are?? I need 6 of them anyone got any?


  aaron :lol:

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2005, 07:30:12 PM »
I've got a set of pop-outs out in the garage waiting on a project to put them in.  Somewhere I have a box full of all the screws and other small hardware pieces that hold them in and trim them up . . . IF I can find them, I'll try to figure out what size they are.  If they are special screws, you can probably find them at a VW swap meet or on eBay.

Offline 71SuperBee

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replacing rubber & chrome around window

« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2005, 07:38:22 PM »
If you could find the size for me i would appricate it very very much.... And do you know who installs rear aprons on bugs? I have the old apron off completly and need a new one welded on....


   But as far as the pop outs go I want to go ahead and get them in.. Just to see how they look. anyway thanks zen thanks alot.. and if you know anyone that can help me with the rear apron please let me know


 aaron :lol:

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