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Offline eakanator

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plugs/ gapping

« on: September 22, 2006, 08:18:51 AM »
What plug seems to work better in a bug, ngk, Bosch, platinum ?
also just installed electonic ignition. have you found better luck or performance by gapping the plug by a extra .005?

Any tips, tricks or input would be appreciated.
Ron

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2006, 09:03:38 AM »
Ron, You could start a war over this subject.  I got tired of messing around trying different plugs for differrent applications.
    I just prefer good ole W-8 Bosch for stock engines( type-1)  99% of the time thats what they came with when new( gap .028)
    Electronic Ings are great,but,but, get a baggy and put your old points,cond, mounting screw in it and put them in your glove box so when your E.T. unit craps out,and they do crap out without any warning,  you can at least get home.

Offline eakanator

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plugs/ gapping

« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2006, 09:25:31 AM »
Thanks David,
yea, didn't want to open a can of worms. Was going back to when  I had rebuilt the old 75 bmw 2002 I had. NGK's did great and installing electronic ignition was the best thing, perfect starting and running everytime.  
After trying to tweak "volksie" and not getting the smoothess going down the road I was looking for, decided to go electronic.
trying to balance orginality with a liitle performance.  some junk may have gotten in one of the jets of the carb.. idles great, but going down the road, sometimes it like to jerk and amost have to leave in a lower gear when doing around 35-45 mphs.
Thanks
Ron

Offline certdubtech

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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2006, 12:20:37 AM »
Yeah, what David said.  If the war is beginning, I guess you could call me the reenforcements for David's side...the good guys...or so I'd like to think.  I have known people who swear by these set-ups and have had no problems.  I have also seen some of the electronic ignitions die and when they do it's just that...they die.  No warnings, just a dead car.  Like David said, keep the points and condensor from the original go-around as you might need them.  Personally, I have always run the stock points set-up as adjusting them is really not that big of a deal after you've done it a number of times.  Like anything, it gets easier with practice.  Oh, and yeah, Bosch W8AC plugs are the way to go in my book too.  The jerking/ hesitation you describe may very well be fuel related as you stated.  Just curious, is the engine stock/upgraded? Single/dual port?  Stock/Aftermarket carb set-up?  Some of these answers may help point towards possible culprits.

Offline eakanator

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plugs/ gapping

« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2006, 06:42:18 AM »
This is a 70 model, believe single port, stock engine and stock carb. Carb was rebuilt by wise member of the club and all had always ran good with the settings. The car had setup for quite a while this past fall until I could get it up north this past spring where we moved. Then is was moved back down here this summer when we moved back.  Even though didn't touch the mixture could something get out of whack or maybe jsut needs good carb cleaning?
Thanks

Offline certdubtech

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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2006, 09:45:33 PM »
Very possible if the car's been sitting up that it may need cleaning...the carb. that is...the car might need a cleaning and waxing- that's up to you.  Quite simply, our modern gas, in spite of its premium pricing is a bit on the crappy side and tends to have a very limited shelf life.  If you're VERY careful, you can try this on the car (keep in mind you don't want any extra nuts and bolts falling into the intake as that would not be good), otherwise, take the carb off to check.  Take out the five screws that hold the top section of the carb body on.  Lift out the float, taking note of any accumulation of "varnished" fuel or rust residue around the top/ fuel level line.  Look down into the bottom of the carb and see if it looks like the surface of Mars down in there.  One other thing to check is to remove the air cleaner and work the throttle arm while looking into the carb.  See if the fuel is spraying properly from the injection nozzle.  If you see accumulation in the carb bowl, or have a poor spray pattern from the nozzle, a cleaning is most likely in order.  If you need help, by all means, let someone know.  One thing I learned a long time ago is that carb cleaning/rebuilding is a lot more successful with compressed air to clean out the jets/ ports/ nozzles.  Another nice thing to have is a can of Berryman's or other good quality cleaner/ dip to soak the parts in to loosen up any trash that's accumulated inside. Good hunting.

Offline eakanator

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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2006, 06:45:46 PM »
Pulled the plugs again just to look and found as the orginal set that 1 & 4 look good, but number 2 & 3 plug (driver side) both had a black sout, soot(not sur how to spell) or like a black carbon/ powder on them(wipes off), these are the new Bosch plugs.  Any ideas what would cause two of them to do this?  maybe the fuel screwed all the way in to keep idling down?

Thanks
Ron

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2006, 10:15:45 PM »
Uh, Fuel screwed all the way in ?    Your carb has 2 brass screws you can mess with on the left side of the carb body(looking in)  The BIG one is for idle ONLY. The small one is sort of mixture jet.So which one are you fooling with ?

Offline eakanator

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2006, 09:07:00 AM »
sorry, it was the big idle screw, the is screwed in al the way. The mixture screw I've never touched it, since it was re-built a couple years ago.

Any idea what would cause the plugs to have a black soot on them as well as being on the tail pipe?

Took the carb off and took apart and sprayed and cleaned orfices, float, etc. didn't look bad.

Thanks
Ron

Offline Ret.Bugtech

plugs/ gapping

« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2006, 11:12:47 AM »
Ron , Have you messed with the screw up on the choke shaft ?   That screw is to adjust the fast idle while the choke is on ONLY. When the choke is off, that screw should barely clear the little saw looking teeth on the choke cam. Make sure the choke goes off all the way when warmed up. This can cause a fast idle if it doesn't. If the choke is staying on would cause the plugs to soot up.
    The engine shouldn't idle at all with the BIG brass screwed in all the way. I feel certain that the carb is causing the sooting on the plugs.
    Its hard to tell you what to do without looking and listening to whats going on.  Vacumn leaks ?
    What is your Idle RPMs. barrow a hand held tach if you can.

Offline eakanator

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plugs/ gapping

« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2006, 11:45:04 AM »
ok, Some good news for a change.
Two things,

Think there was actually something in the carb that got blew out last night when I took apart. (maybe a liitle piece of sand or something)

With the digital timing light/ with Tach, went back and set the timing at 32 max when the rpms were up around 2500 and higher.
The engine now idles around a smooth 900 rpms and the degrees is maybe around a 2 or 3 degrees at idle
The car runs very good, almost beefy, no more herkie jerkie when slowing down.

The only thing is, when I do start to slow down to a stop, there is a liitlle backfire. any ideas ?

But found how how important it is to have not only the timing light, but knowing what the rpms are..

I'll re-check the plugs now that Volksie's running smoother.

I can't thank each of you all enough and appreicate the help and patience.
We are at least now on the right track.
Ron

Offline Ret.Bugtech

plugs/ gapping

« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2006, 11:41:30 PM »
Ron , Good deal !    It just goes to show you that you have to have the right tools and stuff to do the job without guessing.
      I would look for a slight exhaust/ muffler leak for your backfire thing.
 Some leaks sound like a little "ticking" sound and still cause a backfire when you "let off" the gas
     Good job !!

65dunebuggy

plugs/ gapping

« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2006, 03:44:44 PM »
Are the Bosch w8ac plugs the green banded plugs?

Offline eakanator

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plugs/ gapping

« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2006, 07:54:49 PM »
I know they were the w8's..

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