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Offline HowieDoin

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Oil leak 69 bus

« on: October 06, 2010, 11:34:15 AM »
Hello all, been having a rough couple of months so I haven't had a lot of time (or money) to work on Ethyl lately. :(
I have been reading all the posts to stay tuned in.

Anyway, the engine sprung a pretty bad oil leak this past weekend. I know it's a new leak because I park her in the same spot everyday and until this past weekend not a drop of oil was on the pavement. From my reading it looks like it could be the oil cooler but I can't tell. The manual says I'll have to pull the engine either way?
Now all I have to do is figure out how.  ???

I'll post pics as i go.
Scott

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2010, 12:34:36 PM »
You need to put some paper or something under the engine so you can verify where on the case most of the oil is coming from like in the middle of the case or off to one side or another .  Does the oil come from the middle area where the engine is bolted to the transmission case ?   Oil cooler leaks not only drip on the ground but will show up on top of the engine case behind the dist. coming from under the fan housing . Be sure to clean off the bottom the case with some solvent ( brake cleaner etc.) so you can see better. Lay on the ground and watch while the engine is running. And yes you will have to remove the engine if its the cooler, crank seal, push rod tubes etc. Keep us posted.

Offline HowieDoin

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Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2010, 01:05:06 PM »
Thanks for the quick reply Godfather!

I can see oil bubbling from the fan housing behind the dist. and it only seems to happen when the engine warms up. I will top her off and get under there this evening.

I'll report back.

Offline certdubtech

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Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2010, 02:36:47 PM »
Yup, sounds like the oil cooler has decided to spring a leak on you, Scott.  And, FYI, pulling an engine in an early (68-71) Baywindow bus is a bit of a chore.  Sorry, man.   :'(

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2010, 03:14:44 PM »
Indeed its the cooler. The reason the leak doesn't show up until it gets warm is because the by-pass pressure relief valve doesn't let oil go through cooler until the oil gets to a certain temp. Like Rick said , tain't no fun to pull the engine but at least its not one those sorry butt Type-4's ;) ;D

Offline certdubtech

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Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2010, 03:22:13 PM »
I quit trying to fight the alignment issues, and, I think it was Jim who convinced me to pull the engine and trans together, then i do what i gots to do, and then put them back in together...  Easier, i think...

Offline HowieDoin

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Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2010, 04:23:56 PM »
WHACK! "Thank you Ethyl, may I have another?" WHACK! "Thank you Ethyl, may I have another?"
And to think that I actually asked for this...LOL ;D

So, it's easier to pull the engine and trans together? Okay I can handle that. I think.

I need to compile a list of tools needed and decide what else I should do while the engine and trans are out.

Input appreciated guys. Thanks.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2010, 04:47:20 PM »
The VW shop manual tells you to pull them together.  I have done it both way depending how I felt that day and I had a coke crate close by. ;D ;D

Offline ASBug

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Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2010, 08:14:58 PM »
I pulled the engine in the '70 westy I had and it was MUCH easier than removing a beetle engine...
When you get the bumper and the rear plate off there is a FREAKIN HUGE hole to pull that engine out of!!!

Howie:
You will think that the $75 for the Motorcycle jack that you will buy is the best investment you have ever made the first time you use it to remove and reset the engine in your bus.

just my $0.02.
KC

Offline volksnick

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Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2010, 12:06:17 AM »
Everyone says you should replace the transmission output seal and the crank seal (those are maybe 10 bucks together and they are fairly easy to pull out and put back in... getting the flywheel off can sometimes be a chore though) I would do those because they are relatively easy and cheap. The clutch would be the next thing to check. The manual should explain what to look for (seems like I remember that you can test the thickness with open ended wrenches). If the crank seal is leaking, the clutch disc might be toast.

I would make sure I have all the metric wrenches and sockets from 8-19mm, a torque wrench (if you do the crank seal), a 36mm socket and something to turn it (again if you are changing the crank seal), a clutch alignment tool or something to improvise with.

Make sure when you disconnect everything you label the wires (atleast the first time so you remember where they go!) Use a bolt(13mm head will fit)/drill big (1/4")/#2 pencil to plug the gas line. And the throttle cable is the one I ALWAYS forget...and then forget to fish back through the fan shroud as I'm putting the engine in. Support the engine on a jack while you are unbolting it. Then it slides straight back a couple inches and drops down. do your work on it and then reverse. Sometimes when pushing the engine back onto the trans shaft, you have to rotate the pulley to make the splines line up.

The first engine pull is scary but hard to mess up. I removed the body on my bugs before I pulled an engine. There's lots of help and once you do it, you'll realize that there's nothing to it.

Heres a how to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKF6dcKjLJo

Offline certdubtech

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Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2010, 06:08:49 AM »
I would go ahead and replace the engine and trans. mounts while it's pulled apart.  They get oil soaked over time and like to seperate.  You'll be staring right at them when you pull the engine, and they don't cost much $$$$. 

Offline HowieDoin

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Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2010, 08:35:35 AM »
Fantastic info guys. Thanks.

After reading these posts I feel much better about the job.

I have to admit I was a bit pi55ed when it started leaking but then I was reminded that this was why I bought a fixer upper to begin with. I'm all good now.  ::)

More to come...

Offline certdubtech

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Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2010, 08:44:16 AM »
You'll be o.k. Scott.

At least it decided to take a dump in the driveway, where you noticed... On the side of the road in the middle of nowhere... now THAT would have been a problem.   ;)

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2010, 09:19:34 AM »
 Also remember that you are working on a 41 year old Van. You were about 4 years old when that Bus was born ? ;D ;D   To me your Bus is a late model :o ;D ;D ;D ;D

Offline 74loaf

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Re: Oil leak 69 bus

« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2010, 09:11:22 PM »
Let me know when you do this and I can always come help/bring tools. I have weekends and evenings free... Only thing I dont currently have on hand is the jack mentioned above, which I also suggest you get before doing this. first time I removed a type 1 motor I used a jack from a honda accord... needless to say i bought a better one to put it back in with! (ATV/motorcycle jacks work the best)

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