Oil leak

Ret.Bugtech · « **on:** January 20, 2005, 04:19:20 PM »

OK Mr. Clark, Herb and I stopped by your humble "comode" today and could not help to notice that there was a rather large puddle of body fluids being deposited on the pavement from "Fire Ball" Does he have a leak or does his diaper need changing. What kind of deal is this ? :? Either fix or put down some papers. This is the tip of the day :lol:

Dr. FieldingGood · « **Reply #1 on:** January 26, 2005, 08:06:20 PM »

:lol: LMAO!! Well that is a story in itself. The night before I had been partaking a little bit and went out to move things around. Fireball didnt seem to run right to me. He uses oil anyway so I thought he might be low and just hadnt let me know yet. I checked the oil, it was full but didnt look right to me on the dipstick, remember I had been a bit friendly with the barley and hops. So I put more oil in him. He has a crack in a pushrod tube and the puddle is the result of all that. Next evening, after your visit, I drained and refilled to the proper level, voila...it ran like a top. A rebuild is in the plans for Fireball, very soon.

Zen · « **Reply #2 on:** January 27, 2005, 07:39:45 AM »

Quote from: "TnHerbie"

He has a crack in a pushrod tube and the puddle is the result of all that.

David, is it common for push rods tubes to crack along the seam? A friend of mine that used to help me build my engines said to always put the seam at the top so if it developed a crack in the seam it would be less likely to leak. Makes sense, but I've only seen cracks where someone had left the bottom tin off and rocks or whatever had hit them . . . most of the leaks I've seen are at the seals. Anyway, just wondering if the tubes are prone to cracking along the seam? :?

Ret.Bugtech · « **Reply #3 on:** January 27, 2005, 08:58:10 AM »

Zen, In all my years I don`t think I have seen that many tubes crack at the seams on their on. They more than likely had some help like you described. There are some tubes made today that are not "up to snuff" and can leak at the seams and in the bellow ends without ever being touched. I try to blow through them before I install them and have caught a few that would have ruined my day. I agree that you should try to keep the seams up as often as you can. I have re-used a lot of tubes if I knew they were orignals and were in perfect condtion. Just clean them real good and stretch them out a little and paint them with some high temp. paint. They would be better than a lot of new ones I`ve seen. My VW school instrutors told us not to use any sealer on the tube seals as they would try to "cock" sideways due to being slick and wet as you tighten the head and could still "cock" after a few days on the road. My thought is , if you are using high quality seals , you don`t need to "glue" them on. Worked for me. If you are dealing with a type 4 engine, you better use some kind of sealer or you will end up with "Corvairitis" :lol:

Dr. FieldingGood · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2005, 02:25:25 PM »

Zen, you hit the nail on the head. That is the motor that I got with Fireball. It doesnt have the tin on it that it should and something has reached up and bit that tube. I am ashamed to admit this but you can lay under him while running and watch the pushrod moving. Trust me this is to be remedied very soon, tin and all.

Zen · « **Reply #5 on:** January 27, 2005, 06:47:17 PM »

I'm not a fan of spring loaded push rod tubes, but if you can see the pushrod moving and you need to drive it a few days until you can pull the engine and fix it right . . . You could remove the rocker and pull out the push rod, then cut, bend, rip out, etc the leaking tube. Then you could stick in one of the spring loaded ones as a temporary patch.

Problem is that unless you get a good one, the new spring loaded tube might leak more than the one with a hole in it. . . .

Ret.Bugtech · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2005, 02:35:18 AM »

Zen, Mr. Clark is getting more like his Dad every day. First its a rag in the fan and now its sticks and rocks in the road. He needs to stop chasing women and stay home long enough to repair things. You buy him books, send him to school and he still eats the pages. Ah youth !! :lol: :lol:

Dr. FieldingGood · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2005, 06:52:26 AM »

:lol: :lol: Oh I see, its the chasing of them is it? I always thought dad had the problem when he caught them, hell he's had enough of em :oops: besides I found the one I want to chase.
I thought about a spring tube but I figure im about to rebuild him, why? I just put a quart in every 2 or 300 miles and he goes right along just fine. Only problem is being in the car behind me

Just ask Mike in his new white Honda Accord, who followed me from Toccoa.

Ret.Bugtech · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2005, 09:04:34 AM »

Its the thought that counts. Your Dad operated on the "near miss" principal also. Like father,like son. I guess its in the genes. Getting a little mud for your turtle is one thing, its when you have to pay for the whole swamp is where the problem starts. :wink:
Check that push rod when your hormones settle down and you deside to fix things. May be bent a little.

71SuperBee · « **Reply #9 on:** March 27, 2005, 07:19:03 AM »

Well does anyone know a good spring loaded push rod tube? I really need to replace my seals or I could infact have a crack. I know that it doesn't leak a lot out.. and right now she doesn't use any oil at all. So even if I have to pay a lot for the tubes it will be worth it. I would love th ideal of not having to take the head off right now.. And if I do have to I will take them and get them ported and polished or whatever you do with a vw head. Anyway thanks.... .

Aaron :occasion5:

vwherb · « **Reply #10 on:** March 27, 2005, 08:15:07 AM »

STAY AWAY FROM THE SPRING LOADED PUSH ROD TUBES!!!!!!!!!!! You haven't seen oil leaks like you will with the 2 piece tubes. If you're going to do it, do it right.

Zen · « **Reply #11 on:** March 27, 2005, 09:38:46 AM »

Yep, fix it right! Pull the engine, pull off the exhaust and tin . . . remove the rockers (two nuts) and the head (8 nuts). A new seal/gasket kit is under $10 mail order. New tubes are just a couple of bucks each. It's not that hard. You'll probably find other stuff that needs to be fixed while you're out of it.

Ret.Bugtech · « **Reply #12 on:** March 27, 2005, 01:14:13 PM »

Do you know any history on your engine like mileage,maint. Don`t waste your money on porting and polishing on a stock engine. You wont feel a differance. If you have high mileage, you might condider doing at least a valve job if everything is OK in the bottom end of the engine, Bearings etc. If you have one head off ,you are over half way of having the other head off. It would be a shame to do just the push rod tubes and then have it to drop a valve (disaster) after the fact. Valve problems are the weak link in Air-Cooled VW engines. Mostly caused by lack of maint, improper ing. timing, missing engine tin. overheating. I don`t know how much experence you have with VWs so you might consider getting some help before you get into trouble. I have found that improper ing. timing seems to be the biggest problem that folks have. This ain`t your Daddys 350 small block. You can`t dick around with the timing unless you have a thing about watching engines melt down. There is a lot info among the Volks-Folks family and we can help you out on just about any kind of problem you incounter. Info is free :thumbs-up:

71SuperBee · « **Reply #13 on:** March 27, 2005, 01:32:03 PM »

Thank you everyone, I really do appreciate it.. I will not use the spring loaded then, thanks again...

aaron

71SuperBee · « **Reply #14 on:** March 27, 2005, 03:02:45 PM »

can someone please call me to tell me more about bugapulza meetings??? my number is 706-581-9494 i can call you back at my expense. or just email it to me at atjselectronics@alltel.net

thanks
aaron

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