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Offline Bugnut

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Not leaking oil and finaly not dead.

« on: March 28, 2006, 10:54:11 AM »
The car must have heard about my ideas! It;s leaking oil like crazy. It's just pouring right out of the tube the dipstick goes in. This will be a fun one to figure out.

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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2006, 12:11:35 PM »
Have you changed oil caps? Or blocked off the breather tube right beside it? :-k

A bug motor has to breath. If it can't it will blow oil out the dip stick tube or the oil cap.

Am I right Bugtech?

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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2006, 01:53:58 PM »
I think it's definetly Crank case pressure for sure. Thinking about a breather kit.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2006, 09:29:51 AM »
I missed this one. Does the oil come out of the dip stick hole like a fountain when you it rev up ?   Take the oil filler cap off and see if it does the same thing. Is there a lot of smoke or blow- by coming from the oil filler with the cap off ?  Are you over full on oil ?  Is there any oil coming from behind the crank pully? Engine running OK ? Did this happen all at once ?
    I don't think I would start throwing parts on until you figure out whats going on. You have to find out what the itch is before you can scratch it.
    It could be a simple thing or the engine its trying to tell you it ain't feeling good  :lol:

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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2006, 01:22:08 PM »
Ive been getting alot of oil in the engine bay and couldn't figure out from where. I had a little breather on the oil fill and it was dripping with oil. So i figured I just needed to vent it better. Then it was sitting at an idle and oil began pouring out from the dipstick.Actually the dipsticktube. I did get it to stop by pulling the cap off so I figured its crankcase pressure?I'm 4 bolts from pulling the motor and going over the whole thing. I noticed how nasty the little buggers getting so I'll try and freshen it up.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2006, 02:48:45 PM »
Scott, You didn't answer all my questions.

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2006, 06:57:18 PM »
Let me try it again Bugtech.
1. it was making a pretyy big puddle ideling for 10 minutes
2. it stopped when I took the cap off
3.no smoke or much of any blowby when the cap was off
4. oil level was a bit low at this point
5.no oil behind crank pulley
6.It was running fine just slinging oil mostly
7. The oli leaking has been getting pretyy bad,It was throwing it unto the back hood and running down the rear apron.

Most of it I think was leaking fromthis cheesy air breather I had on the oil filller spout.After digging around I just started finding to many shade tree fixes on stuff so I'm pulling her out and going over it all. So far Im missing 1 engine mount stud,alot of engine tin screws,The dipstick tube is less than an inch long and has been broke off at some point,almost every nut on it is junk,etc....I would feel better as much as I drive it knowing it is right.

Is there any way I can tell what size the pistons are(markings)?
I have the strange feeling this engine was a short block sittin in the old owners garage and he threw the rest of the junk on it. The reason I think so is that all the gaskets look new and everything else looks like spare parts. The engine ran a little weird after I got it tuned up.I didn't notice it until I drove a few others,mine is a bit louder and has a different feel. Larger cams,pistons? I have no clue.It did seem to run of and leave some other bugs around town.Maybe maniac driver. :lol:

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2006, 08:20:56 PM »
Quote from: "67bugnut"
The reason I think so is that all the gaskets look new and everything else looks like spare parts.


And this is a problem???  :lol:

Sounds like every engine I ever built!  At least until I got tired of getting beaned upside the head with old Dasher parts and let the Godfather talk me into buying a bunch of brand-spankin'-new parts the last time I was putting together an engine for Homer . . . new bearings . . . new exhaust valves . . . and (drumrollllllllllllllllllllllllll) new pistons and cylinders!  Throwing old junk parts together with new gaskets and new rings works . . . but doing it right works sooooooooooo much better!  I'm so impressed that next time I'm thinking 'bout even springing for a new cam and lifters!   8)

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2006, 11:08:30 PM »
Scott, Piston size is marked on the top of the piston on the outer edge. Stock 1600cc piston size is 85.45 mm. Cams other than stock are more likey marked around the slot that the oil pump sets in. example, Scat with a letter and number like C-35 etc etc. Stock cams were not marked.
  Stock cam gears were riveted on and hi-lift cam gear was bolted on.
  You can replace the dip stick tube. I have a trick to get the old one out. No big deal.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2006, 11:16:49 PM »
O Yeah, What in the heck is wrong with a stock oil filler. VW only used them for 60 years. I wish people would stop and think before paying good money for something thats not any better than what came on the car to begin with. Dang !!

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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2006, 12:37:43 AM »
But it's pretty and shiny :lol: .I got the old one out I just gotta find a new one. So far no luck.I cleaned all the goop I could off the motor,It's basically a short block right now. I'm kinda scared to mess with the internals,but I have the feeling I should or maybe not....

First I gotta check with my better half to get my budget down,Then figure how far to go with it.Alot of stuff didn't look old so it has been messed with recently. I could definetly use your opinion on this. What should be replaced and not.I'm a fan of it it ain't broke don't fix it but I just don't trust what I've seen so far.I know alot of vw tools are probably needed to tear it down and check it all and that alone would kill the budget.

I'm also gonna have trouble getting parts quick enough to get it together.Mainly foreign kinda sucks,they don't seem like they want to sell anything. Seems like they don't like to look for anything yet they have it where you can't ,not to mention the prices. I'm just kind mad at em right now for being a pain in my butt.

65dunebuggy

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2006, 11:46:44 AM »
I was reading somewhere on someones post about back seat latches not working.They must have been on 71 model super beetles also.I never could get my drivers side to open up.Where the knob is on the side of the seat back about 3/4 way up.

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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2006, 12:08:43 PM »
Also I have had problems bugtech with a drip or two of oil coming from behind my pully.You say it's too much oil? Reads right on the stick.I did something one time along time ago.The vent from the filler neck had a long rubber hose on it going to the ground.This was on my beetle in the seventies.I said huh.Wonder why someone just didn't plug this off.The wind was blowing it back on the bottom of my engine so without thinking I plugged it off.Yes no more drip! I won't tell the rest but bad idea lol. :lol: Live and learn.Boy I felt stupid.But no knowledge at all back then.Just checked oil and filled up and went back then.I thought I had blown the engine going 40mph :lol: Sorry I had to tell that story.If you have a stupidier story than that send it to www.stupid vw stories.com lol

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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2006, 12:59:29 PM »
If your feed up with mainly foreign.  Take a road trip to Dalton and try out American Foreign or go to Cleveland and see Joe at Tri State import.  You will get service with a smile.  I gave up on mainly foreign the first time I set foot in there place.  They might sell more parts if they would drop the attitude!  My words of advise is to slow down and do it right.  Allow godfather to answer your qeustions before you jump off the computer and start tearing things down or up without getting the answers to your questions.  These engines can be very picky sometimes and I know that first hand.  If you tear anything down make sure you label everything unless you think you have a good memory.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2006, 02:18:47 PM »
Not to fear. You are not the first one to plug off the down vent pipe. I had a customer who plug off his pipe plus the one to the air cleaner and then argued with me that this was not cause of his slight ,as he called it, oil leak.
    As far as the drip or two from behind the pulley ,I wouldn't be overly concern . You have to remember that there is no seal installed .  Several things can cause this seep one that there is to much clearance between the pulley shaft and the case, case is worn in the bore where the pulley slides in, pulley is damage, oil slinger on the crankshaft is on backwards.
   One fix for most of these problems was installation of a "sand pulley" kit that came with a seal. I guess they still offer those. Check some ads in Hot VWs mag. The engine also vents around the pulley. Next time you have a engine on the floor,tip it back on the pulley end and watch whats happens. If you use this kit just make sure all other vents are working well. 8)

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