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Offline vwherb

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new guy and will have new bug - bug has not been started in 10 years

« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2004, 08:14:29 AM »
Ron, backing up to the oil question. There will be oil trapped in the cooler and when you check the oil level it will read correctly whether the engine is cold or hot. The oil level might show just a little bit low if you check it just a few seconds after shutting it off cause the oil has not had time to drain back into the crank case so let it sit a minute or 5 before checking after running it.

As for the electronic ignition, I personally prefer the Compufire but I've also had Pertronix. The bottom line, I, for one am a firm believer in the electronic ignition no matter which brand. You install it, set your timing and forget about. I put it in my split window bus before I drove her to Florida the first time about 4 years ago. I checked the timing when I got back and it was exactly the same as when we left and everytime since that I've checked it, it is right on the money. You can't do that with standard points. As points wear, it does change the timing.


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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2004, 10:10:00 AM »
One last question for now, is there a certain octane gas the bugs should use?
I appreaciate all the the info and will save more questions until I get a chance to start digging into the car..am going to have it loaded up and brought home Saturday morning, hopefully the rain will hold off until then..
Thanks
Ron

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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2004, 10:26:10 AM »
What octane rating you use depends on your compression, I use 89 octane in my bug, and even before the rebuild, there was no damage due to premature combustion.
    I have a '70 bug, also, so your project is kinda close to home, bro. :) Are you building from the ground up? If so, I may have some questions for you on our '70 Beetles, as I am planning on doing a ground-up resto on my bug, "Buggy" (Yeah, I know, the name isn't so original, but it's the one the original owner gave her.)    :p
Have you thought of a name for your bug yet?

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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2004, 10:41:53 AM »
Haven't thought of a name yet.. I getting this from the orginal owner who some what took care of it and has had it garaged( kind of dark & dingy) for the last 10 or 12 years. There are a couple little dings, little rust at the trunk latch. Wife wants to keep it orginal ( shared project). we were looking the orginal color charts over the web yesterday to see if we can tell what color it is). so, if restoring from the bottom up, probably. What little modifications I can sneak in we'll see. will look at struts or shocks, tranny, interior, etc closer when we get it this weekend.
Ron

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new guy and will have new bug - bug has not been started in 10 years

« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2004, 01:19:06 PM »
Ron, I personally don't burn anything but 93 octane in any of my VWs. The 67 bus has a bone stock dual port and the others that are still projects will not have anything but high test put in them. One of the engines is a 1915 and the other is a 2 liter Type IV engine. There are some who disagree with my running the high test gas but that's what I prefer and every VW I've ran didn't mind the high grade of gas.


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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2004, 01:38:57 PM »
That's good to know, it seemed somewhere in the book I've been skimming through " How to keep you Volkswagen Alive" the authour mentioned something about the octane. Its about like the oil, he also mentioned using straight 30 wt. and if the car performs better on 89 or 93, then don't mind putting it in, especially if the bug get 28 mpg.  

Ron

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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2004, 05:53:27 PM »
Everyone has to deside for themselves what octane gas they want to burn.  Different people chose different grades for different reasons.

Yes, you can safely run 87 octane in a stock 1600 engine . . . but yes, there are definite advanges to paying more and getting 93 octain.  The higher your engine's compression ratio, the higher octane you NEED.  Anything past stock compression and 87 isn't really an option.

Technically, 87, 89, and 93 octane all have the same potential energy.  One is not really "better" than the other as a fuel.  If you ask 100 people on the street, 99 of them will probably tell you 93 octane burns better than 87 octane.  It doesn't.  In fact, the 87 octain will ignite and burn quicker than 93.  That's why you need a higher octane as your compression ratio increases.  If it's too low, the fuel/air mixture will ignite from just the heat of compression . . . and this can happen way too early . . . you have a big ball of fire hitting the top of the piston while it's still moving up.  In an air-cooled VW engine, this is the equivilant of putting a cutting torch to the pistons.  It won't be long and you'll have a hole burnt through it.  I've seen the results of pre-ignition.  Believe me, it isn't pretty.

Stock compression won't pre-ignite 87 octane, but once the spark hits it, it will burn faster than 93.  So, you have to start the spark a little later than with 93.  That means a few milli-seconds less time for the total combustion process . . . all of which translates into a little more heat retained in the engine and a little less power to the wheels.  And, your engine is not going to last quite as long and will probalbly develope more problems along the way.

Is it enough to warrant paying the extra 20 cents per gallon?  Depends on your engine, driving habits, budget, and how important that extra dependability and longivity is to you.

When I'm not running on pure air (which I have been known to do  :;): ) I run 87 octain.  Herb has never had to build an engine on the side of the road 150 miles from home . . . but he spends more for gas than I do.  It's your decision.  ???



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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2004, 10:10:21 AM »
While we're on the subject of gasoline- what so you folks think of "octane boosters" and "cleaners" that you can add to your gas tank? I've always wanted to know....

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