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Offline eakanator

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Fixing to be handed a 1970 bug and have you guys to thank, due to the show in East Ridge a couple weeks ago..
The bug has not been started in 10 years and would like to know what I need to do. turn over by hand a few times before trying to start it? What is the best type & grade of oil to use?
Boss had been wanting to part with this bug, but wife would not let him unless he could find a loving home, after bringing back a phamplet form your show, he showed it to her and they are going to let me adopt it. so much to learn, had a 1975 BMW 2002 but had sold it due to a divorce, now opportunity knocks again and ready to start this new project. all help would be appreicated. I'm finding out no oil filter, no radiator, no heater.. any insight is appreciated.
Thanks
Ron

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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2004, 09:00:34 AM »
I'm a mechanically challenged, however in addition to the wealth of knowledge I have gleaned from other club members here on the message board and at club meetings, I would recommend the book "How To Keep Your Volkswagen Alive, A Manual of Step By Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot"[/i]  by John Muir. This book is written with a lot of love for the Volkswagen and with a good deal of humor thrown in. It is an easy and enjoyable read when you have a bug (problem). :;):
By the way, be sure to come to our next club meeting on May 17 at Wally's East Ridge at 7:00 pm.

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2004, 09:12:16 AM »
Thanks, actually our library has it and it checked out this weekend, getting familar with it.. As I was reading it, it made me wonder about the types of oil I should use. I was curious which multi-grade everyone uses.. I try to stay away from 10-40, but wondering if a 20-50 or a 10-30 is alright. Again don't want to take a chance and scare up the engine walls if this car has not been started in awhile, would like to find out if pulling plugs and pouring a treatment in holes or  or just hand turn the engine a few times..
Ron

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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2004, 09:36:06 AM »
Hi Ron, Welcome to the board and hopefully to the club. As for weight of oil, I would recommend a straight 30 weight oil and Castrol is usually the oil of choice. When you buy your oil, go ahead pick up a can of Marvel Mystery Oil and a good squirt can. Drain your oil and the remove the bottom plate after getting an oil change gasket set. This plate is about 5-6 inches in diameter right on the bottom of the engine. After removing it you will see a round screen there that the plate covers. Remove it and wash it throughly. There will probably be some sludge also in the bottom of the engine so clean the plate also. After everything is clean, re-assemble with new gaskets but be sure not to over tighten the acorn nuts (6) holding the plate to the bottom of the engine. You want to just snug them. DO NOT get them as tight as you can and them turn 1/2 more turn. Refill the crankcase (3 quarts almost  put 2 1/2 in and check it.)

After that, remove your spark plugs and squirt a little bit of the Marvel Mystery Oil in each cylinder. Don't fill the cylinders. Turn the engine over by hand a few times (leave the plugs out) and then cover each cylinder plug hole with rags and turn the engine over a few times with the starter. This should lubricate everything well.

Now, put your plugs back in but NOT before you put a bit of anti - seize on each plug. Be careful not to cross thread any of them. This is very easily done in a VW engine.

Now, let's look at your gas tank and lines. Take your screw on gas cap off and smell inside the tank. If it stinks to high heaven, stop right there and don't go any further until you remove the tank, flush the lines and maybe even have the tank boiled out. When you get to this point let us know, and we will guide you further. This is enough to keep you busy at least a day.  LOL

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new guy and will have new bug - bug has not been started in 10 years

« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2004, 10:18:47 AM »
Thank you,
look forward to riding up and getting the chance to hang out and see what is going on..
Is there a good way to turn the engine over by hand? crankshaft, generator, etc..
I also read where some of the bugs have a solex carb, is this the most common or are you replacing with webers or different carb. I've not been a real big fan of the Solex, but maybe they are made better on the Volkswagen.
Ron

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2004, 10:29:53 AM »
ok, another question, is there a certain brand of plug and heat size to use for the 1970 bug? Bosch, etc.
Thought I might as well change plugs, points, rotor, etc.. any advice on this?
Thanks adn hope I don't wear anyone out with the questions, just kind of excited about this project? think the engine was rebuilt and has aobut 4k miles on it, new clutch, etc, again been garaged for a few years..
Ron

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2004, 12:37:07 PM »
Zen had offered me some good advice on replacing my Solex Pict 34 with a 30/31 Brolex with 34 conversion. If you go to the thread in this forum called "Pict 34 adjustment" you might pick up some good tips that several have given me along this line.
As to turning the engine over, if you mean manually like when you need to turn it to get to top dead center - I usually just grip the fan belt and muscle it around myself. If you have a big enough socket or wrench you can turn it by rotating the crankshaft fan pulley. You probably could also put a wrench on the generator fan pulley but last time I tried that I eventually loosened the nut holding it on and the fan belt and pulley came off! :p

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2004, 08:12:24 PM »
For a stock engine, a Brosol (that's a Brazilian Solex) 30-31 is hard to beat.  The older orginal German Solex 31 carborators are great (practically the same thing as the Brosol 30-31, and what your '70 bug came with from the factory), but most of them you run across at swap meets have a worn out throttle shaft which will cause it to run a little lean and make it kind'a hard to tune.  There's a place in California (RIMCO) that will fix the worn out shaft but if you pick up a new carb at a show for under a hundred bucks, that's probably going to end up being just about as cheap.  Any Solex or Brosol 34 is probably going to give you more tuning problems than you care to deal with.  The good news is that your engine is supposed to have a Solex 31 . . . well, that's assuming that it's still a single port.

On the oil, ask 100 VW mechanics, you'll probably get at least 25 different answers.  Maybe 50.  I've seen discussions about oil turn in to all out war on some other forums.  I'm with Herb.  I use nothing but HD30 in a stock VW air-cooled engine.  Here's why . . . the VW air-cooled engine was designed in the 1930s.  That was long before multi-grade oils were avalible down at the corner service station.  The oil in the crankcase serves TWO purposes.  It not only lubricates the internal components, it also COOLS them.  We call these things "Air-Cooled" but the truth is, the original design of the flat four engine broke crankshafts right and left.  They determined that it was because of heat stress so they added an ingenious oil cooling system . . . and it was all designed around the way oil acts as it gets hot.  A single grade oil like HD30 always gets "thinner" as it gets hotter.  At 10 degrees, it pours like honey . . . at 110, it pours like water.  Because of this, oil pressure will always drop as the oil gets hotter.  The cooling system is designed with a spring loaded check valve (two of them in the newer "dual relief" cases) that blocks any oil from circulating through the cooler when the oil pressure is over a certian amount.  I don't recall that amount off the top of my head, but lets say it's 35 pounds.  OK, as long as the oil is thick enough to hold 35 pounds of pressure, no oil goes through the cooler.  This keeps all the interal heat inside the engine while it warms up.  At some point, the oil might get so hot that it flows to easily through all the bearings and the oil pressure drops under 35 pounds . . . now a spring pushes the check valve opened and part of the oil is diverted through the oil cooler before going to the bearings.  If it cools too much, the oil pressure starts going high again and the pressure will push the check valve back closed and no oil goes through the cooler.  OK, if you're still with me (I've confused myself . . . so I've probably confused everyone else too) multi-viscosity oil messes that whole system up.  20W50, for example is the same viscosity as 20W oil at one temp, but at some higher temp, it's like 50W would be at that temp (a lot "thicker" than straight 20W).  Around here the best thing to do in my opinion, is run Castrol (Havoline is my second choice) HD30.  In an extream heat wave, HD40 might be OK.  If the temp is below 10 degrees, let the engine warm up a few minutes before you rev it up, or run HD20 (if you can find it).

Again, there are people who say I'm stupid for running straight weight oil.  There are people who say it's stupid to run multi-grades.  The main thing is run some type of oil in it, don't over-fill it, don't let it run low, and whatever else you neglect to do, CHANGE IT at least every two months or 2000 miles.  Verl Taylor has over 295,000 miles on the bottom end of a 1967 Beetle engine.  I ask him once how he did it . . . what's the secret oil he's been using? . . . he said something like "Well, I'm ashamed to admit it, but I've run just about any kind of oil I could get my hands on, but I changed it ever time I got the chance."  He told me that he thinks he may have even let it run over 1500 miles with an oil change once or twice.  The last person to tighen the case half bolts on that engine was a German factory worker in 1967 (maybe even in 66) . . . that's a pretty good argument for changing you oil regardless of what brand or grade you use.

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2004, 08:13:17 AM »
That makes perfect sense, Thanks..  There is probably as many as opinions as far a plugs to but is there one that seems to do better than another.  In my old 75 bimmer, NGK actually seemed to do better than Bosch, but then again once I replaced the Solex carb with a Weber, plugs seemed to last longer too.  Any takes on the type plugs you guys like or that seem to do better.
Thanks again
Ron

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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2004, 08:24:46 AM »
My personal plug of choice is the Bosch. I ran an NGK plug in my old bus (1600 DP) for a while and didn't care for them. Volkswagens just seem to prefer Bosch.


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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2004, 08:47:39 AM »
As I was re-reading the oil part.. Got wondering, if oil goes through the cooler as the oil gets thinner, what is the best way to gauge you oil level to make sure it's at the correct level?  if you measure the level when the car is cold, will it be a different level when the engine is hot? Sounds like you want to make sure you don't overfill or will it measure the same hot or cold.  
Sorry, trying to leave questions one at a time, jsut have a ton as time goes on..
Thanks for everyones help..
Ron

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2004, 10:55:19 AM »
Bosch Super are the best plugs available for VW's. My bug actually used to spit out any other plug that I put in her. The Bosch stayed in- go figure.

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2004, 05:55:35 PM »
With the points clean and properly adjusted, or better yet, electronic ignition, I've never had any real problems with any type of plugs (I use whatever is cheapest . . . which is usually the cleanest looking plug I can find in one of my many junk heads).  But as Herb has suggested before . . . whatever plug you use, give the threads a good coat of anti-sieze and make sure you don't cross thread them.  A steel plug in a magnezium head going through thousands of heating - cooling cycles without anti-sieze will practically weld themselves together . . . when you remove the plug, you might also remove the threads!  Another VERY COMMON mistake is overtightening the plugs.  The torque setting is much lower than you might think!!!!  If you tighten 'em as tight as you can get them, you better hope you never have to pull one . . . you'll probably pull the threads out with it.

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2004, 06:32:55 PM »
On checking the oil, I just give it about a minute after I turn it off and check it.  The oil cooler is highest part of the engine, so, I'm sure that if it's sat long enough it will all empty into the crankcase and raise the level slightly.  If you have it hot and check it the second you turn it off, then wait a minute and check it again, you'll see a slightly higher level . . . let it sit for days, and it might come up a little more, but it won't be much.

The main thing is don't let it get below the add mark.  It has a capacity of slightly less than 3 quarts (2.5 liters or 2.7 quarts), so being a quart low is a significant % of lost oil volume.  That doesn't affect the lubrication because there is still enough in the sump to feed the oil pump . . . where it really affects the engine is in cooling.  That's the reason you see so many performance engines with deep sumps.  They don't make the engine any better lubricated, but if there is twice as much oil, it can do a much better job of cooling the internal parts.   ???

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2004, 06:44:07 PM »
I was actully afraid to bring up the electronic ignition part, but are some people converting to pertronix electronic ignition, etc.
thanks
Ron

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