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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2009, 01:22:09 PM »
Quote from: "certdubtech"
There are a few bolts on that engine that torque in Inch-pounds . If you over-torque them they will break and total the crank case.


That is the truth.

I gotta say, if my Type 4 blew up tomorrow, I'd seriously consider shelling out for a Camper Special from Jake Raby. Expensive yes, but probably the last engine I'd ever put in there.

I learned a lot about the Type 4 from the Bug Me DVD with Rick Higgins and Jake Raby. They tear one down and rebuild it. You can have a copy if you want.

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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2009, 02:06:58 PM »
Russ,  What does Raby get for that camper engine ?

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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2009, 02:20:05 PM »


On hundred billion dollars.....



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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2009, 02:21:45 PM »
I want to say around $3500 depending on prep level. Currently not in stock until March 2010.

I know Jake's "strong" personality rubs people the wrong way, including me sometimes. He comes off as an arrogant know-it-all online and in person, but he treats his customers well. There's a thread on the Samba where he flew out to California on his dime to help a guy get his CS running right. With him being so close to us (Cleveland, GA) I have no doubt he'd be available for support after the sale.

I know that's a lot of money to put into a bus but I'd consider it if I were keeping my bus for a long time. However you can get a lot of interesting VWs for $3500.

Richard put in a Vanagon engine in my bus and it runs great. Even better since Kyle and I fixed the oil leaks and went back to FI. I'm getting consistently 18 MPG in it and never worry about overheating.

The Bug Me DVD was quite eye opening to me, since I am a non-mechanic and have no experience working on engines. I think I watched it three times in a row.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #64 on: December 18, 2009, 03:33:53 PM »
I agree with you, but you have to give the devil his due.  Raby knows his Type -4's . I would have to belive he is good as they come, better than most.
 All you have to do is ask him .With parts prices the way they are these days,  I really think that $ 3500 is not to far out of line considering what you end up with but you really need to have a super clean well restored van to justify  the cost and you had plans to keep it for a while.

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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #65 on: December 18, 2009, 03:52:43 PM »
Quote from: "Russ"
I want to say around $3500 depending on prep level. Currently not in stock until March 2010.


According to his web site, a complete, turn-key camper special 1971 cc is $6,932.50 . . . or more if you want to upgrade the igntion, fuel injection, exhuast, powder coat the tin, etc . . . :shock:

But, you WILL NOT find a better built type 4.

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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #66 on: December 18, 2009, 04:03:20 PM »
Turnkey, yes. The build-it-yourself CS kits are a little cheaper.

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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #67 on: December 18, 2009, 04:26:47 PM »
Aye carumba that's a lot of cash....

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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2009, 10:51:58 PM »
Ok, you guys have done an amazing job of freaking me the f*&^ out. $3500 for a rebuild??? Does that include body work and a paint job with 3 coats of clear? My friend who said he would do the rebuild is a very good mechanic. He has worked on my Mercedes S500, Chevy Tahoe and other cars I have had. He knows VW motors and I trust him. He will back up his work and make sure it is right. What I need now is a kit or a list of what parts I need to for him to do this. I know this bus is a challenge and expensive to get right, but this is for my son. Since I am divorced from his mother this has been a great project for the two of us to work on together and create memories. I don't want to throw in the towel on this. You guys have been a ton of help, but I am feeling overwhelmed and like there is little or no hope for a reasonable out on this. I guess I bit off more than I can chew on this bus, but he wanted a bus like I had when he was little. I don't have a ton of money to spare but I vow to get this son of a buck on the road and reliable for him.   Ahhhh.. I think I feel better now.

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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2009, 11:21:04 PM »
Hey Guy, Do what you gott'a  do.   Tear it down and make a list

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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2009, 11:43:37 PM »
Sorry for the dramatic post. Several beers will do that to a guy. I am just frustrated and want to do this right. I am very thankful to have this forum and such knowledgeable people to not pull any punches and lay all of this out for me. When we get this bus done right and back on the road for my son, I will invite all of you over for some beers on me. Maybe I will organize a camping trip or something and cook for all of you? A friend of mine owns about 250 acres down in Lafayette with a pond that I could possibly arrange a Volks Folks weekend gathering/camping thing at this spring. Once again, thanks guys.. This is not just the beer talking..

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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2009, 11:49:03 PM »
I can assure you, if it's one thing this club loves, it's a cookout and/or a campout (especially with beer). 8) We do a few a year and I'm sure we could arrange something if you've got space to offer. Thanks!

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My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2009, 12:04:46 AM »
I will give my buddy a call and get some dates that we could maybe do it. He has hootananny's and bluegrass parties down there all the time. Here are some pictures of a concert that goes on down there on Memorial Day weekend for the last several years. I think he would probably only charge like $10 a person for the weekend. Do you think the Volks Folks would be interested in something like this?

http://www.scottrutter.com/PGroove.htm

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« Reply #73 on: December 19, 2009, 09:23:52 AM »
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Ok, you guys have done an amazing job of freaking me the f*&^ out. $3500 for a rebuild???


Keep in mind that price includes a pair of brand new heads that have been rebuilt to Jake's specs.  They take brand new type 4 heads, remove the stock valves,  seats, springs and guides and install their own propriatery parts.  They also do extensive machine work on them to make the flow and cool much better than stock heads.  Jake's web site claims that they have not had an engine failure due to a dropped valve seat or any other valve issue in over 10 years of building these heads.  A pair of those heads alone are over 2 grand . . . yes, it's expensive, but if it cures the head problems once and for all and you can afford it, they are worth the money.

If you are like most of us and can't afford the best, you can do it a whole lot cheaper . . . it probably won't last as long, have as much power, or run as cool, but it'll still move your bus down the road for a while. :wink:

Offline Ret.Bugtech

My son's bus blew a spark plug out of the head

« Reply #74 on: December 19, 2009, 10:29:00 AM »
Ruttco, The last bunch of post was not intended to freak you out but to give you some other options . Its scary I know and can be very  pricey. What you do to this engine now can and will determine how long you can keep it on the road before you have to go through all of this again. Trust me on that one. I'm not questioning your friends mechical ability.  I'm sure he is very good but I have seen many so called "Expert" VW tech's come and go after getting in trouble. I have been working on these " Critters" all my life and I still can't fix my Buddy's lawnmower.Go figure.
 
    And you are correct in the fact that a lot of us don't pull any punches  and NOBODY in this club will ever "lead you down the garden path" on purpose. So do what you can.

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