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Offline Javabirds

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Loss of power...

« on: October 03, 2012, 09:44:36 AM »
So, I'm chugging along and all of the sudden there is a loss of power.  Pedal to the floor and it is like she's not getting enough gas or she is missing.  It is everything that I can do to keep Sweetpea from stalling out.  Then, miraculously, she revs right up and I'm on my way again.   This has happened a few times over the last two months.  In my head I have generated a list of possible culprits but I thought I should ask for a little second and third opinion before I try and troubleshoot.  Funds and time are limited so I want to be smart.  Most of the time things are fine, but I'm afraid of the time that it doesn't correct itself.

Here are my theories:
Funky tar-balls in the ancient gas tank are clogging the fuel filter?  Bad gas?  I've run a bottle of seafoam about every 3rd tank of gas to try and clean things up.

Something about the petronix electronic ignition is failing?  I have spare, should I drop it in?  Are these the symptoms?

Vacuum advance is not working?

Sticking valve?  Valves need adjustment?

Any advice is welcome.  Thanks.

Offline ASBug

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 11:35:47 AM »
Check the sweeper arm in the AFM.
I bet you have a worn spot...
OR your fuel pump relay could be going south.
Your bus is still Fuel Injected if I remember correctly.
Good luck.
KC

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 11:17:30 PM »
Something about the petronix electronic ignition is failing?  I have spare, should I drop it in?  Are these the symptoms?

My experiance has been that Petronix ignition systems either work or they don't.  I've never seen (or heard) of one having intermitant problems.

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2012, 09:36:58 AM »
Check the sweeper arm in the AFM.
I bet you have a worn spot...
OR your fuel pump relay could be going south.
Your bus is still Fuel Injected if I remember correctly.
Good luck.
KC

Thanks guys.  I just looked it up in the service manual and it says this is not a serviceable part.  I'm about to go take a look and see if the pot is worn.  If so, this is the replacement, right?

https://www.busdepot.com/410020

And your right about fuel injection.  I should have mentioned that.

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2012, 10:32:12 AM »
Here's a shot of the AFM.  If you look closely, there is definitely wear.  Two grooves.  What do you guys think?

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2012, 11:05:43 AM »
Is this a legit quick fix?
http://www.amazon.com/DeoxIT%C2%AE-FaderLube-Liquid-squeeze-solution/dp/B003D8G83O/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1349362631&sr=8-2&keywords=fader+lube

Is the replacement AFM a drop in replacement?

I think the obvious wear is the problem but are there any other ways to fix this without replacement?  I just don't want to replace it if I don't have to.

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2012, 11:18:34 AM »
What think ye of this:

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Offline ASBug

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2012, 05:19:12 PM »
This is what I did:
See those 4 screws (phillips) that hold down the silicon board,
Loosen them and GENTLY shift the silicon wafer about 1/32" to one side or the other, the hard copper lines will give ever so slightly front/back, left / right I don't remember.
USe a wooden wedge or pencil or something to hold it off centered on the screws while you tighten back down the screws.
This worked on the 76 that I had because it moved the contactors to a different pathway on the carbon tracks.
Try it, it costs nothing.
KC

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2012, 05:49:41 PM »
Well, I tried working with the OG AFM and couldn't adjust it enough to make it stop entirely.  So I bought a rebuilt one from bus depot.  I dropped it in today and it won't start at all.  I can put the last one back in and make it start.  What's up?

Offline ASBug

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2012, 07:03:05 PM »
Sounds like they sent the wrong AFM or it is faulty.
The flap was stuck in the '78. I had to open it up and the tracks on mine were new looking, no wear.
Good luck
KC

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2012, 09:30:09 PM »
The part # on mine is different than the bus depot one.  Mine is the 022 906 301 D.  the new one ends in "B".  They claim that they are interchangeable and also swear that the rebuilds are never faulty.  He suggested that maybe I've got a vacuum leak.  He said the new ones have to see 18 lbs of pressure...

The new one has a hose attachment next to the hose clamp end.  Mine is the one in the book that doesn't have this.

He also told me to check my grounds.  The annoying thing is that the old one is back in and I can start it.  Not so with the new one...  In fact, after a few more hours of working with them I am positive that this is either the wrong one or it is faulty.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2012, 09:57:35 AM »
We use to see a lot of Bent doors (flap) in the AFM do to a severe back-fire.  Made out of pot metal and not easy to bend back , but have done it.

Offline ASBug

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2012, 11:47:18 AM »
Is your flap arm bent too far to allow the FP to cut on?
It is a tricky little setting to get just enough arm contact with the switch on the side to allow the FP to kick on when the flap just barely moves.
Is the new flap stuck on the rebuilt one?
If so then it would not allow the FP safety contact to make contact.
This is what was wrong with the Bus I just bought (among other things).
KC

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2012, 09:53:33 AM »
Here is what is unbelievable...

I have spent a lot of money at Bus Depot.  No joke.  They are my go-to.  Well, their invoice lists the part that I ordered but the part itself and the box list a different #.  The AFMs are actually slightly different just looking at them.  BD swears that they are interchangeable.  Regardless, the new one won't turn over but the old one will.  So I have spent quite a bit of time on the phone with them and quite a bit of time checking and re-checking the install because they swear it is my fault.  I've cleaned all grounds and verified vacuum.  Still, the new one won't work.  So after all this BD gives me the contact info for the re-manufacturer.  I call them and they say it's defective and to send it back to BD.  Bus Depot says did they give you their address to return it to?  At this point I'm pissed because they service manual lists different part #s and says "It is important that replacement intake air sensors have the correct part number" right before it lists the numbers that Bus Depot says are irrelevant.  I bought the right part # which is stated on my invoice but they sent me a different # and on top of that it doesn't work.  Now they want me to ship the new one and my OG AFM to the re-manufacturer and have it rebuilt.  They have offered to reimburse me for shipping.  When I talked to the guy at the re-builder's he did suggest that as an option but knew it was bogus because of how long the whole process would take.  That's why he said to just send it back to BD.  I've got one more shot with Bus Depot on the phone when they open today at 11 for them to man up and take responsibility or else I'm out.  The tenor of the previous conversations suggests that they are going to stick to their guns and I'm stuck $230 in without a working AFM and a downed bus that I had plans to use in a week.

Am I missing something?  I run my own business and know that I would never do this to a customer in a million years.  Especially one that has spent as much $$$ as I have!  Am I somehow blinded by something?  I want to be fair, so let me know...

I think you guys are right about the fuel pump safety switch, but other than adjusting the CO mixture, there is no way to adjust the new AFM without opening it up -which I won't do because I know it will definitely screw my chance of returning it...

Offline ASBug

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Re: Loss of power...

« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2012, 10:06:20 AM »
What year is sweetpea?
If you want to try the AFM from my '78 on yours, you are more than welcome to try it out.
As stated it looks new and works great.
I'll be in and out all weekend, but you can PM me for my cell #.
If mine works and doesn't have a power loss, then the problem is the "new" AFM.
If not then you have other problems.

Also, please tell me you paid with a CCard and not a Debit card.
If a CCard, then call them and complain and say you are not paying it.


KC
« Last Edit: October 11, 2012, 10:10:17 AM by ASBug »

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