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Offline ASBug

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Jenny's dying....A country song.

« on: January 26, 2009, 10:44:15 AM »
"She's cold and alone and sittin in the damp...Jenny's dying, the lights going out of her. You have to rev her up and push her hard to get the warnings to go away, yes Jenny's dying and I don't know how long she's gonna stay..."

OK seriously, this has a country song written all over it, but the Genny is dying in my '72 ASBug... How much of a pain is it to change out a genny?
I would perfer to do it with engine in car.  Any one done this?
Also, the spare 1974 engine that I have is Alternated.  If I have all the components, wouldn't this be a great time to change ofer the genny to an alternator?
Any one have any advice? I know that the wireing harness is different... Is this a no go?
I can get a reman Bosh genny reasonable.

I am not expecting an immenant failure, but it is taking longer each week for the light to go off in the dash.  It also appears to be worse when the weather is damp / rainy...
Me thinketh worn out brushes...Can they be changed with genny installed?

Thanks,
KC

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 02:10:54 PM »
KC, Have thought maybe you have a regulator going south ?    
       Yes you can replace the brushes "in car"  It can be a "booger bear" if you haven't done it before.
        Yes you can replace the gen with the engine installed.  Thats the only way I have done it for years.
        There are tricks for both of these projects.
        I like gen. a whole lot better than the alt.   There is a "trick" to check to see if it is the reg or the gen itselve.
         I would lean toward that you may have a problem with the brushes or reg. the way you are explaining it, but I'm not there to check it.
         If you have to replace the gen,  REPLACE the reg with it for sure.

Offline ASBug

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Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 04:07:41 PM »
Ok,
Here is a few "extras":
-The regulator is new as of 3 months, I replaced it as I was having a problem with my nifty FM modulator cutting off if I ran my: AM radio, FM Modulator, lights and blinkers.  I could Run all this stuff with no prob's untill I hit the brakes... Then the radio would cut in and out in time with the blinkers.  It didn't have to be the lights, It could also be the wippers.
Any way the new solid state VR didn't cure the problem, it only delayed the action thereof for a few more seconds...
Well, now I have the problem with the Light in the dash not going out for like 5 or 6 minutes of driving.  

I believe that the genny is loosing contact at idle RPM.  I have a new radio that uses the VR as the signal that the engine is running.  At idle, the radio just cuts off if I hit a jar or a bump.  then back on after a second.  
I believe that the brushes are at the end of their lifespan and it is taking all this RPM to keep them on the field.

I am probably going to go and get a reman genny , and have it ready.  I am just cheep and wanted to see if it would be feasable to just put a set of brushes in it.  Any tips on getting that booger out would be a help.
Any way thanks for the ideas.
KC

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 05:26:39 PM »
What kind wattage is all this radio stuff ?   I can't help but to think with all this radio cutting on and off or cycling with the wipers is that you may some other  "thing " going on like poor grounds, connection etc.  You can have some one check the voltage/amps at the gen, battery. You have to have about 14 volts to make things work on that car.  You can take both wires off the gen,  run a jumper from the field term. on the gen. (green wire) to ground,  take a volt meter and put the meter pos. lead to the + on the gen post,   put the meter minus lead on the field term.on the gen,  Set your meter on 25 VDC, Get some to start the car while you are holding all this stuff.  rev the engine up and if the gen is any good it will about peg the meter .
  Turn the engine  off  pronto if pegs the meter . The gen will go up in smoke if you run it more than a min.or two. Its putting out about 18-20 volt Un-loaded.
   If all seems OK at the gen, start looking somewhere else.

Offline Zen

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Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 06:42:11 PM »
I like generators.  They don't put out quite as much power at low RPMs, but unless you are running a high powered sound system or runway lights for headlights, they are capable of running the electrical system just fine.

Check your battery cables ( + and - ) at both ends and make sure you have a good connection.  Before I messed with the generator, I'd have the battery load tested.  Just because a battery will hold a charge doesn't mean it's good.  If you have good a good battery and good connections and good regulator, then it's time to start questioning the generator.  I save the generator for last because it's the hardest to change, it's usually not the problem . . . and I'm lazy.  Try the easy stuff first. 8)

Offline ASBug

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Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 08:12:55 AM »
Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"
What kind wattage is all this radio stuff ?

The always hot wire has an 8A fuse and the other switch wire has a 3A fuse, were not talking earth moving thump thump system here...  I will do the checks, but I feel that the genny is just plain wore out.  I believe it to be the original with almost 92K on it now!  (Wow I have put 9K miles on the car in 13 months!!!)
Time flies when your having fun...
KC :D  :D

Offline Bigdummy

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Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2009, 08:15:26 AM »
I have a guy that will rebuild it for 45-65 dollars......

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2009, 10:40:18 AM »
KC,  You may be right ,but how would you know if you didn't check it.  Its sort of like replacing a head light bulb and 2 hrs. later find out that only a fuse was blown. Get it checked before you spend all your money.
       I have seen some of these gen. last the lifetime of the car and a lot of the ones that did fail were  caused by the Reg. The jury is still out on the new solid-state reg , but I haven't heard anything that is negative so far. [-o<

Offline Bugnut

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Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2009, 11:14:08 AM »
Im a fan of the new solid state reg no problems as of yet.
As for rebuilding them I'd be curious to see how that works out. Other than a factory rebuilt one I haven't seen anyone rebuild one and it actually work for more than a week. If you did find someone who knows how I'd like to know because I have a dozen of them sitting in the garage. :lol:

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 12:37:39 PM »
Scott, I'm with you on the gen. thing. I have never had anybody that could rebuild one of those gens that lasted more than a month in this town.
      If Big D has found somebody that can do it as good as Bosch,he would get real popular but I'm not going to hold my breath because I have heard this claim for 30 years.  Its a Bosch GR15X for me until-------------------------- :roll:

Offline dubtech

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Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2009, 07:08:02 AM »
Just out of curiosity I checked to see if there were still any generators left in the VW parts system.  It turns out that there's still 8 of these in the country, 5 in the depot and 3 at dealers.  Part # is 113-903-031-PX which is, according to the parts computer, the 30 amp version.

Part # on the pulley for that generator is 043-903-109 and there's apparently several hundred of them still at the various depots around the country.

VWs love genuine parts    :D

Offline Brian

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Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2009, 09:56:33 AM »
I took the 59 out for a spin last night.  When I first crank the car, the Gen. light goes out and stays out.  But, when I was driving last night at low rpms the lights would jump back and forth from dim to bright.  At higher rpms the lights stayed constant.  Where should I start?

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2009, 10:26:40 AM »
12 volt or 6 volt ?

Offline Brian

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Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2009, 01:46:32 PM »
12Volt

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Jenny's dying....A country song.

« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2009, 04:03:39 PM »
I,m just guessing ,but I would look into having a reg.  trying to go south on you . Be sure all connections are OK first off.

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