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Getting home after a long trip - bus troubles

« on: May 06, 2002, 11:17:58 PM »
Coming off I-75 Saturday night after a day of sloshing at Circle Yer Wagens, I noticed my bus was acting funny. It seemed to have no power, slugging along the highway, and it woudn't idle for anything. Monday night after work I put a can of fuel injector cleaner in and fueled up, that seemed to help it quite a bit. I drove it over to Herb's and he helped me poke around in the engine and try to see what's wrong: We could hear a vacuum leak of some kind but couldn't trace it down. Later that night Stanley Gibson and George Lynn (From A-Team Plumbing, one of Volks Folks NEWS illustrious sponsors) dropped by and fiddled with it some. We think the leak is around one of the fuel injectors. I can sleep now that I know it's no more major than this. Thanks to Herb, Stan, and George for helping me out!

***UPDATE*** Herb called and Joe (from Tri-State Import, another newsletter advertiser) sells the fuel injector seals for $3 a set. Looks like I'll be back to sucking air real soon.



Edited By Quarex on May 07 2002 at 6:41

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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2002, 10:51:37 AM »
:alien: And I thought I was the only one that had bus troubles last weekend!  Well, glad to hear your problem doesn't seem too serious.

On the way to the show I had a brass nozzle blow out of the outlet side of my fuel pump.  It sprayed gas all over the engine compartment until the carborator finally ran dry.  I was VERY VERY LUCKY that my bus didn't burn to crisp!!!  I'll post a link to Bob Hoover's "Tulz" article about the causes and how to prevent this from happening to you.  Look for it in the VW Resources The Web section of the message board.

ADDED WEDNESDAY EVENING:

This morning I filled up on the way to work and figured my gas mileage.  First, let me back up a few days . . . I had filled up in Rock Spring Saturday morning when I headed to Sevierville.  On the trip home I filled up again a few miles outside of Sevierville after traveling 169 miles.  I had used 8.855 gallons giving me a rate of 19.085 miles per gallon.  This morning my tank held 8.945 gallons and I had traveled another 224 miles giving me a rate of 25.042 miles per gallon.  I'll admit that I came home a good bit slower than I went up there, but even so, I figure I must have blown out between 1 and 2 gallons of gas on top of my engine while it was spinning at, well, way too many RPMs (I was doing about 80 when this happened . . . yeah, it was downhill)!

Anyway, the reason I'm telling you this is to try to get you to see how real the danger of an engine fire is in your air-cooled VW.  Please look in the VW Resources on the Web section of this message board, find my post about Bob Hoover's "Tulz" series, and follow the link to Tulz Part 6 -- Fire!.  Read it.  Learn from it.  ACT ON IT!  . . . or like Bob says, carry a bag of marshmellows.  No sense in letting a good bonfire go to waste.
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Edited By Zen on May 09 2002 at 12:12

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Getting home after a long trip - bus troubles

« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2002, 11:18:22 AM »
Like you Russ, I had an air leak also on the way home from the show, but of a different kind.  (I know my truck isn't air cooled or a Volkswagen but since we were talking about road troubles over the weekend I thought I would share my story)

I had stayed back to go eat with Kyle so I didn't come back with the rest of the caravan.  I left exit 12 on I40 about 5:30pm and made it through Knoxville in good time, considering the traffic was a little heavy.  I was making real good time and was about half way home when I crossed a bridge and heard a massive air leak.  So I pulled over as fast as I could and checked and of course my tire was flat.  I jacked the truck up and dropped the spare down from under the bed of the truck and thinking the whole time "the spare is gonna be flat I just know it".  Well, it was flat but not as flat as the one I just took off, so I hobbled on down the road on the flat spare at about 20 - 25 mph to the next exit which happened to be about 5 miles down the road.  Hoping the whole time that I wasn't damaging the tire so bad that it wouldn't hold air.  But I didn't and it is still holding air 2 days later.  I guess it just went down from being under the truck by the exhaust so long.  Changing the tire took about 30 minutes.  Because I didn't know what I was doing.  I have seen it done before but that was the first flat I had ever had to change by myself.  It took another 30 minutes to hobble to a gas station to get air in the tire.  So I got home at about 8:40pm.  It took the same amount of time to get home as it would have taking the back way.  And I'm sure a Volkswagen person would have stopped to help if I had gone that way.



Edited By Betty on May 07 2002 at 11:25

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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2002, 11:56:07 PM »
Betty, I'm sorry to hear you had trouble on the trip back home and we weren't there to help, but it sounds like you had it under control the whole time.  A true VW enthusiast should never doubt his/her resourcefulness in the face of adversity!

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Getting home after a long trip - bus troubles

« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2002, 01:32:50 AM »
Well, here's an update. Herb and I took the advice of Joe from Tri-State Import and sprayed some starter fluid around the engine to see if we could sniff out a leak. No discernable vacuum leaks turned up. We then tested the fuel injectors by taking each one out and cranking the bus to observe the fuel spray. The injector over the no. 3 cylinder was spraying in a manner less than admirable, and this, we felt, was our culprit. At $80 each these injectors aren't cheap, but the dirt on my 24 year-old injectors told us that's what she needed right now. With Herb's help I ordered a new one thru Joe and waited for it to come in.

The next day, Dee returned from Cleveland with my much-anticipated injector. Eldon, Herb, and I worked together to install it, and with fingers crossed I climbed into the driver's seat to give it a crank. After a few moments of idling, there was a loud pop and it died. Herb and Eldon were frantically trying to blow out a small fire that erupted in the engine compartment, and I'm here to say I'd match the combined hot air coming from both Herb and Eldon to a standard kitchen fire extinguisher any day. The fire was small and didn't hurt much, it melted the connector on the wire going to the oil pressure sending unit. After another unsuccessful crank it was determined that it was the Pete Best of fuel injectors, the cold start unit, was in fact at fault in this case.

As it stands I would not be able to drive the bus home without having to file a claim on my insurance for one burned bus. I'll just have to replace that injector with a new one from Tri-State Import.

So, if you're up to your elbows in a major Type IV engine overhaul and your unit has not been converted to carbueration, don't overlook those injectors. They're not the cheapest repair, but an important one nonetheless.

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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2002, 03:03:35 PM »
Cold start valve, huh?  In Rocky Mtn. Motorworks catalog, the cold start valve for a 74-79 Type 2 is $74.50, only about $5 less than the injectors cost, which is probably close to what Tri-State is.  I might have one or more of these in my "spare" fuel injection parts...I have no idea of the working condition of any of them.  If someone wanted to take one and see if it works, then the cost would be much less than the price of RMM or Tri-State.

But you could do what I would most likely end up doing if I was in that situation.  I would buy brand new over used, probably.  But I don't think that I could stop there...I might even end up replacing them all!   :tounge:

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Getting home after a long trip - bus troubles

« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2002, 03:25:01 PM »
Well ideally I'd like new fuel injectors all the way around, but it is slightly cost prohibitive. Maybe I'll replace one a month or something. Since they are the same age, I'm sure it's a domino effect of failing injectors. Thanks for the offer on the used one, but we've already got a new one ordered from Joe.

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