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Offline terrip

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Front end alignment and pan welding

« on: February 04, 2011, 12:35:51 PM »
Hi All,  I have a 79 super beetle convertible I recently bought, that needs a possible front end alignment and probably some pan welding.  The pans were redone before I bought it, but they used revits or something similar and it looks like at least some welding is needed.

I read the post that Rick Swafford is no longer doing this, so if anyone knows someone else, I'd appreciate the help.

Thanks for the info on R&M as he's done a little work on it and is great!

Terri

Offline LOLA

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2011, 06:20:01 PM »
Terri, I don't do alignments but I have now welded three sets of pans with no failures. Give me a call if you need help. # is 240-1224

Mike

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2011, 11:39:21 PM »
Terri, I don't do alignments but I have now welded three sets of pans with no failures. Give me a call if you need help. # is 240-1224

Mike
I respect a man who can weld.
KC

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2011, 09:05:12 AM »
I have put pans in a couple of bugs using pop rivets.  As long as you use enough of them and a lot of seam sealer, this works . . . but welding is the right way to do it . . . especially if you are concerned about the way it looks from underneath.

I have been playing around with an $89 flux wire welder from Harbor Freight.  I am amazed at how well it works!  Someday I'm going to attempt to weld pan's in my wife's 75 convertible.  Someday.  Probably not someday soon, but someday.   8)

Offline certdubtech

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 09:59:07 AM »
WELD THEM IN!!!!


It's not just how they look.  It has a lot to do with structural integrity.  (I know all about structural integrity, just look at some of the crap i have owned.  ;D)  Rivet's won't be as solid as a weld.  Especially on a convertible.  Welding is def. the way to go.  It's funny, i have seen convertibles that, when on the lift, if you open the door, it won't close again untill it's back on the ground.   :D

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2011, 04:55:42 PM »
The pans that were in Joy's convertible were put in with sheet metal screws.  I would have hate to see what a small animal that ran under the car would look like when he came out the other side!  The next set that goes in will be good quality pans and they will be welded in . . . even if I have to pay someone else to do it.

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2011, 05:14:39 PM »
On the front end, I've used Doyle's in Ft. Oglethorpe a few times for front end alignments on bugs.  Make sure all of your bushings and ball joints are in good shape before you have it aligned.

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2011, 12:24:44 AM »
I guess everyone has a technique to put pans in? If you can get to a welder,grinder and an air chisel thats the way to go. I cut the old ones out with an air chisel then grind all the contact points,then lay the pans in drill holes in the new pans every 3inches. Pug weld every foot then every 6 inches then fill in the rest. Space out your welds dont just go up the row it'll warp. Buy the thickest pans you can and do it right the first time. Seam seal it all up and undercoat or powder coat it and be done.
Im not the brightest light but Ive done a few now and it aint to hard. It helps to have seen it done though.
On a side note i sold my welder and live in Texas now so I dont do them anymore either.

Offline eakanator

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2011, 09:53:57 PM »
Zen,
I started to buy one of the core flux welders Harbor freight when they had them on sale. I think regular $150 for $89.  I was afraid I'd blow a hole in my floor pans and seat rails. I think the welder had a low and high amp setting and wasn't sure about the wire size.
How's that welder do? 
Still would like to find a cheap little mig welder to do my pans and other things.
ron

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2011, 10:50:11 PM »
I haven't tried sheet metal yet.  All I've used it on so far is some old bed rail angle that I'm using to fabricate new battery boxes for my Harley golf cart.  It did pretty good for an $89 welder being used by someone who has NEVER used any type of wire welder before.  It has two adustments.  A high and low amp switch and a wire speed dial.  I set the amp switch to high and ended up with the wire speed at 4 (1-10 scale) when I finally found a combination that worked.

If I get a chance, I'll try it on some sheet metal this weekend . . . but I've got an 8 hour test / interview at VW Saturday, so it might be weekend after next before I play around with it again.  8)

Offline travisyoung

Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2011, 06:46:10 AM »
i did alot of work with a flux core wire feed that did really good on sheet metal, now i have a larger mig welder with gas, it will weld thicker stuff like roll cages, the little wire feeds do great on sheet metal, you just need to practice on scrap. If you buy a harbor frieght one i might buy the warrenty with it, home depot and lowes sell them but they are about twice as much but i think the quality is a littlew better

Offline eakanator

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2011, 07:39:51 AM »
Craftsman makes a nice little mig welder but just out of justifiable reach. Sears sells a little off brand mig welder "All Power America" that's on sell right now for $220. Might not be to bad and could be justified. 
still trying to decide whether it's cheaper to have someone weld my pans and seat rails vs buying a welder.  (you have to use your own seat rails with "Thing" floor pans)
Of course if Harbor fright puts the flux core back on sale that might not be to bad either.  Keep watching craigslist, but you think the welders were made of gold.
Ron

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2011, 10:31:05 AM »
I have a Lincoln mig/gas that I just love. I was told to stay away from just wire welders. They seen to be messier with slag, splatters .  Kile told me that these mig welders using gas is like a glue gun for want-to-be-welders. Worked for me. I was able to put the Buggy back together including welding in the now shorten pans. This was the first time I had a mig welder in my hand.I felt like a old pro ::)
   The down side is these mig/gas welders are pricey but I never regretted buying it.
   Ron, if you are going to just put in pans I think I would have it done.

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2011, 10:49:00 AM »
   Ron, if you are going to just put in pans I think I would have it done.

Yes please....

Putting in pans can be tricky, you are welding a thin metal on to a very thick, double thickness lip for the most part.  Blowing right through is all too easy, and with it turned down too low, you won't get a good penetration on the weld.  It will look nice and pretty, untill you start loading up the miles, and start hearing loud popping sounds as the welds are starting to seperate.   :)

If it's just a one-shot deal, you are better off having it done.

Offline eakanator

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Re: Front end alignment and pan welding

« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2011, 11:10:10 AM »
Thanks guys.. I think if I had a lot more things to weld it might be worth investing, but with just pans just wouldn't be justifiable.
ron   

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