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Topic: Fire prevention - replace fuel lines, carry an extinguisher  (Read 3066 times)

Offline Russ

I'm sure most everyone already knows this but it's worth talking about. Plus I've read a lot recently so I thought I'd share. To prevent a fire hazard, your fuel lines need to be checked and replaced regularly, especially if it's a new purchase, you don't know what condition the hoses are in and if they haven't been touched in 30 years then they probably need replacing right away.

It's important first to make sure you are using the right equipment for the application. On a fuel injected vehicle, you need special reinforced FI-grade non-braided hose. It's reinforced because it's a higher grade rubber, and when cut down the middle you can see it's reinforced inside to handle the higher fuel pressure.

I haven't found any reason why braided hose is better. It might in fact be worse because the rubber inside might be cracked and brittle, and you'd never know just by inspecting the outside because the braided part looks "fine".

Diameter is important too...make sure it's 7mm (inside diameter) to ensure it sits tightly on the metal fittings in the fuel system.

About 5' should do most engine compartments but it's nice to have some extra. I ordered a few meters of Cohline hose from Bus Depot. It's German made and OEM quality.





Another important but sometimes overlooked part is the hose clamp! You need a clamp on every end where the hose is fitted. Avoid the more common worm style clamps that tighten by moving teeth into grooves along the metal band. They will cut into the hose and weaken it, leading to cracks and extra wear.

The best clamps I've found are ABA from Sweden (no, not ABBA). They are also available from the Bus Depot at 0.69 each.



If you look at the  factory clamps, they feature a tightening screw and a smooth band, with the edges upturned to prevent from digging into the rubber. ABA clamps also have the screw and a slight upturn on the edge, though not as pronounced.



They are also made to fit 13mm hose (outside diameter) so they fit very snugly without having to over-tighten, which could weaken the hose. About two dozen clamps should do a complete engine compartment, and a few extras are always nice to have as well.



Also make sure that anywhere the fuel line passes through metal, like through the engine tin or body, that it is protected with a grommet to prevent it from rubbing against the metal and slicing it open.

Replacing the fuel hoses and clamps should be priority #1 on any new VW purchase you make. Chances are the PO won't know the last time it was done or worse yet they used the wrong type or size of fuel hose. At least be sure to inspect your hoses yearly and look for signs of wear like cracking or hardness. They are subjected to high temps inside the engine compartment and the environment below!

Next, always always keep a fire extinguisher handy, preferably two. You want to keep it within arms' reach in case you need to jump out and put out a fire. It can take less than 30 seconds for a bus or beetle to burn to the ground so there's no time to lose.

Inspect your extinguishers yearly too, and if it's ever discharged for any reason replace it. Most extinguishers aren't designed to be used more than once so if the pin is pulled and it's been fired, it's not going to stay pressurized.

Feel free to share other tips or stories about fire prevention, or as we prefer to call them, "thermal events". It's as much a safety issue as it is maintenance, so keep it in mind.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Fire prevention - replace fuel lines, carry an extinguisher

« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 08:51:47 AM »
Russ, There you go reading a book again , but good stuff to remember and check out once in awhile.
      Pay attention Newbies.   Russ is not speaking with "forked tonque" here. I have seen a bunch of nice VW's go up in smoke over the years because of "crusty, Rusty, hoses and clamps.
      Beware of the garden varitey of rubber fuel hose sold at most part stores. Most of this hose WILL NOT stand up to the pressures of Fuel Injected engines unless is stated on the hose. I would stick with OM stuff.

Offline Bugnut

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Fire prevention - replace fuel lines, carry an extinguisher

« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 11:15:47 PM »
If ya drive a bug remeber to replace that brittle crappy fuel filter or better yet move it outta your engine bay and put a nice one bolted to the frame underneath it.

Offline Russ

Fire prevention - replace fuel lines, carry an extinguisher

« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 09:07:28 AM »
Definitely a good idea, old fuel filters in a hot engine compartment are not safe. My engine, now fitted with a carb has the fuel filter hanging in the engine compartment right before the carb, which is something I hope to eliminate by going back to FI.

Also another thing I noticed is I think the fuel pump is just wired to the ignition switch. When you turn it on, you can hear it clicking before you start the engine. In a FI setup, The fuel pump is first engaged by the starter solenoid and then the double relay takes over after it's started. There's a switch on the air flow meter that opens the circuit when the flap closes all the way, to cut off the pump in the event the engine stalls. That way if you're in an accident or something it reduces the chance of high pressure fuel being sprayed everywhere.

Offline Bugnut

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Fire prevention - replace fuel lines, carry an extinguisher

« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 10:30:17 AM »
I had a close call about 2years ago. Since then I always have a fuel cut off and a heavy dut fuel filter mounted on the frame. Paranoid yes safe yep. :lol:

Offline Javabirds

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Is the kit worth it?

« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 11:06:44 PM »
Soze I'm about to order & replace Sweet Pea's fuel lines ('79 FI).  Here's my list so far:

Fuel Hose (2)
7mm Fuel Line, German, High Pressure, Reinforced, for fuel injection    N0202811

Fuel Injector Seal Set (1)
Complete, 8-Pieces (4 large, 4 small), All Fuel-Injected Beetle, Bus, Ghia, T3, Vanagon    311198261A

Fuel Filter (1)
Square plastic filter (for fuel injected engines, as noted)   133133511
   
Fuel Injector Hose Clamp (30)
OE Style, for fuel line

Grommet (1)
Protects steel fuel line where it passes through engine cover plate.

I found a kit:
http://www.germansupply.com/home/customer/product.php?productid=16400
But it looks like it includes 2 sections of larger hose and a few different-looking clamps.  They also recommend using a $50 crimping tool.  If I bought the kit and the tool, I would be in the $150 neighborhood + shipping.  The list above is $60 so far, but I still think I need another length of hose.  What do you guys say?

Offline ASBug

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Fire prevention - replace fuel lines, carry an extinguisher

« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 09:16:43 AM »
Did it myself on the '76 I owned last year, not rocket science.
You CAN buy the correct FI clamps at AutoZone (Don't flame me... I didn't say fuel line - get the correct stuff online, add up the lengths listed for your year and add 10% for screw ups and order it by the length = cheaper.  hose cuts well with regular anvil prunning shears).
The clamps are sold in packs of 4.  If you look at the package it is marked in inches, but if you look at the clamps themselves, they are marked in mm.
no shipping and you can get them today. They typically don't store more than 4 packs in the store (16 max clamps) so you may need to get all they have, and wait for a reorder (2 days) and then go back and get the rest that you need.  If you give them a heads up on the part # somethimes their parts dude can bring it by the same day from another store nearby.

I was also able to get the Sq. fuel filter from them as well (I feel the flames building...)  At least I am not posting this on the SAMBA, then there would be people outside my house with pitchforks for my head for commiting such blasphamy of putting a non bosch filter on my buss...

KC  :shock:

Offline virgo062

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Fire prevention - replace fuel lines, carry an extinguisher

« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 09:30:57 AM »
David when you get FeeBee back will you check these for me?

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Fire prevention - replace fuel lines, carry an extinguisher

« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 09:46:35 AM »
Quote from: "virgo062"
David when you get FeeBee back will you check these for me?
Yes Madam. All your hoses etc. were replaced when the engine was built but I always check them every time I see the car.

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