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Offline Russ

Exhaust gaskets

« on: September 01, 2011, 08:51:08 PM »
I've finally gotten around to looking at the bus - had to buy some ramps to drive up the back end on to get it high enough. I pulled the bottom tin and with the engine idling, yep I can definitely feel exhaust escaping there.

Also, there's a lot of oil leaking on the bottom of the engine, and as best I can tell it's coming from the push rod tubes. Guess I should replace those seals, too. Is that a job that can be done by mere mortals? Like I don't have to drop the engine or anything? I've never done it before.

Offline Russ

Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2011, 09:22:24 PM »
First of all, did I get the right seals? They seem very square and the pipes look more round. But maybe it's squared off at the end?

Offline Russ

Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 09:29:30 PM »
I think I bought the wrong gaskets, these square ones appear to be for '79 and they are more oval shaped for '78 and earlier. So I guess I'll be checking Mainly Foreign and Tri-State tomorrow to see if I can pick up the right ones.

Offline Russ

Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2011, 09:49:06 PM »
Also it looks like the push rod tubes in the Type IV were designed specifically so you could take them out without removing the heads. I'm watching Jake Raby do it in the Bug Me Video on Type IV engines. So I just pop the valve cover off, remove the rocker arms, and pull the tubes out. Right?

Offline 74loaf

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Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2011, 10:01:10 PM »
The bolts that hold the rocker arms down also hold down springs if I remember correctly  that keep the push rod tubes into place. Once the springs are removed the pushrod tube slides right out through the top of the head. If you want I can show you how it all goes together on my parts type 4 engine. Those oval copper gaskets that you need are 3 bucks a piece from mainly foreign. I have a couple of new ones here if you wanna just get me some new ones at a later time. Also check on the internet. there is a guide on there that talks about annealing the copper first with a blow torch to soften the metal so that they seat better when you install them. he explains the process of how to do so and tells you how to know when they are ready to install. (by the sound they make when dropped on a concrete floor)

Offline Russ

Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2011, 10:05:47 PM »
Yeah, I saw the spring you're talking about in the video. Do you have enough to do my engine? If so, I will buy them from you or trade you for a bus oil filter or two. Bring them tomorrow night if you can. Otherwise, I'll get some locally. Thanks!

I don't have a blow torch to anneal the seals. Do you?

Offline Russ

Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2011, 10:09:35 PM »
My heater boxes look different than Ratwell's. His go directly into the sides whereas mine seem to have their own pipe that bolts to a J-shaped tube from the heater box. Do I have to remove the whole heater box? It looks like I can just unbolt from the head and at the end of the pipe.

Offline dubtech

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Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2011, 10:10:03 PM »
Also it looks like the push rod tubes in the Type IV were designed specifically so you could take them out without removing the heads. I'm watching Jake Raby do it in the Bug Me Video on Type IV engines. So I just pop the valve cover off, remove the rocker arms, and pull the tubes out. Right?

Sounds right Russ.  If they get stubborn wrap some duct tape around them a leave some extra hanging down so that you can pull on the tape flap with some pliers.

Here's a write up from the type-2 archives.

 http://type2.com/bartnik/pushrod.htm

Offline 74loaf

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Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2011, 10:13:01 PM »
I have 2 new copper gaskets... so enough for one side of the engine. I also have one of those blow torches thats about the size of a small fire extinguisher... I think thats what the guy used in his how-to guide. I can bring them tommorrow but I may need you to remind me to make sure I dont forget!

you should only technically have to remove just enough to get at the gaskets that you need to replace.  yours has the pipe probably because of emissions... so might be easier. I know I have just the heater boxes on mine, and I can remove one side at a time if I need to, while still leaving the muffler in place... held up by still being bolted to the other side.

Offline Russ

Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2011, 10:16:19 PM »
Well if I need 4, I might as well just buy them all at once. I'll call and see if I can remind you to bring your torch if you don't mind. I got some oil filters too, I will bring one for you.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2011, 10:44:59 PM »
First of all, did I get the right seals? They seem very square and the pipes look more round. But maybe it's squared off at the end?
Those are Vanagon gaskets. The best thing

Offline Russ

Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2011, 10:45:58 PM »
They may be the best, but if they don't fit my engine they are not so great!

Hey Eike, don't you have a '79? Do you want some exhaust gaskets? :D

Offline volksnick

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Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2011, 01:13:17 AM »
I work down near mainly foreign. Give me a text/email IN THE MORNING (boss is calling it a half day tomorrow), if you want me to pick some up and bring them to the cruise in. I'll try to check the forum, but give me a text just to be sure.

Call and check, cause I don't want to own the wrong ones either!

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2011, 08:42:10 AM »
They may be the best, but if they don't fit my engine they are not so great!

Hey Eike, don't you have a '79? Do you want some exhaust gaskets? :D
To bad.   A tip. Look at the surface of the heater box pipes where they meet the copper rings. I use to find a lot of pits, burned areas and they will not seal to the heads no matter how hard you try. If you find pits etc. you will have to file the ends  flat. You may have to grind the hard carbon build up on the very ends of the pipes before you file them. This stuff will wreck a file. Sort of trying to file glass. Have fun.

Offline Russ

Re: Exhaust gaskets

« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2011, 01:52:26 PM »
I definitely will. Ratwell has a pretty good article on sealing exhaust to the head: http://www.ratwell.com/technical/Exhaust.html

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