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Offline Javabirds

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Exhaust...cough...cough...

« on: November 20, 2010, 09:56:19 AM »
I have started to notice a strong (stronger than usual) exhaust smell when I fire up.  This is probably because I am rigged for winter heat and have closed off the heater outlets and wired the heat duct valves all the way open.  But when I crawled under the bus to see what I could see, I found a huge hole in my muffler.  No doubt that I need a new one.  My question is this:  I cannot find any holes in the heater boxes (just by looking them over) is it possible that they are still okay?  I get plenty of heat, just lots of extra stink especially at start-up.  As for my health, when I drive it, I have kept the fresh air vents open!

So would a gaping hole in my muffler put exhaust in through my heating ducts?  From the blower?

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2010, 10:44:46 AM »
Could be. Is your foam compartment seal around the engine intact ?  Those engine fan are heavy duty "suckers". They will pick up ANY fumes that run loose in the engine bay.

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2010, 12:06:29 PM »
The foam looks good, but the 5" hole in the muffler doesn't.  It is an EMPI dual, and I am thinking of returning to the motherland and going stock.  She's a '79.  Anyone got any input on mufflers?

Offline Russ

Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2010, 12:42:21 PM »
Here's a complete exhaust system for you: http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=071251053EK

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2010, 10:24:11 AM »
Thanks Russ, I have been looking at that one.  I'll count yours as a vote in its favor!

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2010, 02:15:27 PM »
I got the muffler kit you suggested Russ.  Thanks.  It just showed up.  Not very sexy! 

My last ride in sweetpea was smokey!  Blah!  After crawling around on the ground again I noticed that there was a thin coat of oil all over the heater boxes and on the muffler.  There are actually two gaping holes in the old muffler, and the smoke that was rolling out of it is oil that is burning off at the holes.  The oil level isn't dropping, yet it looks like everything down there is oily!  It is all burning off and getting sucked into my ventilation.   Let's hope replacing the muffler does the trick.  I think I am going to get a CO detector to put in the bus! 

Offline ASBug

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Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2010, 08:23:33 PM »
When I pulled the muffler off my '76, I just took a sawsall and cut the old muffler off at the flanges on the muffler side.
Took all of about 5 minutes to do and made getting the muffler flanges off the heater boxes a piece of cake.
Just make sure your commited to doing this on your own BEFORE you go to cutting.
Good luck,
The change in noise was immense.
KC

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2010, 10:41:18 AM »
Alright, I'm open for another suggestion or two! 
I replaced the rusted out EMPI exhaust with the stock kit that Russ suggested and it was a great improvement in sound, feel, pickup, etc...  It is amazing how much better it runs with the stock exhaust!!  If anyone is on the fence, for what it is worth, I am now a believer!  Thanks for the nudge Russ!

However,
My problem of a smokey interior is still there!!  Maybe not as bad, but it still really fills up the cab after a half hour of running.  I had hoped to take her on the road for the holidays but I don't want to kill my family.

Everything is oily, but overall it is not loosing much oil.  I'm pretty sure it is just burning off and the smoke is getting pushed through the vents by the blower.  From the outside, there doesn't appear to be any smoke, but it sure is there inside!  Blah! 

Anyone else have this problem?

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Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2010, 11:06:40 AM »
One thing I would check first is the rear hatch seal.  Due to its shape, there is a vacuum effect at the rear hatch when you are going down the road.  If the seal is bad or hatch isn't latched tight, it'll suck a lot of the exhaust fumes into the bus.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2010, 02:14:50 PM »
You might ck the heater box tin right under the valve covers and see if it is rusted out or split open at the seams  If this is the case and you have a valve cover or push rod tube leaking, it will drop oil right into the heater box then to the vents. I have seen this happen before even on Type-1 engines. One other place is the small heater control box , the one with the cable , if it is just sitting on the main heater box and you have the leaks , it will suck in fumes. They are suppose to be sealed and clamped tight.

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2010, 07:28:46 AM »
I have taken a closer look and it does look like the valve cover gaskets are leaking and that the oil is collecting on the pan attached to the heater box.  I also found that the vent tubing clamp closest to the burning oil was very loose.  I tightened everything up and the amount of smoke in the cab has decreased significantly.  There is no doubt that I've gotta get those leaks slowed!  Thanks for the tips!

Offline Javabirds

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Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2011, 08:57:37 AM »
Thanks for all your input guys!  When the spring/summer came, the problem miraculously disappeared...  with the heat exchangers wired shut!

With fall approaching I want to get a head start on this problem because I have a number of cold weather trips planned.  Here is what I have done so far:

New OEM exhaust
New engine tin gasket
New valve cover gaskets

The problem is still there and it maybe worse.  Smokes up the cabin. 

I think there must still be oil in at least one of the heater boxes and it is cooking off.

Is there any way to really inspect the heater boxes without pulling the engine? 

Sweetpea is a '79 but I don't see any '79 heater boxes listed at the major online parts suppliers...  Advice?

Offline certdubtech

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Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2011, 09:58:50 AM »

You can pull the  heater boxes in the bus, they are just a pain to get aligned wiggling around on the ground, holding those heavy things over your head the whole time... but it can be done.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2011, 10:18:48 AM »
I'm going to try this one more time. Pulling the boxes can be a bitch on a lift much less on the ground. Try this , pull the engine tin on the bottom covering the push rod tubes.(easy) Go to the car wash and clean around the tubes, block, boxes really good. Let dry and drive it around and see where the leak maybe or place some clean paper under the engine overnight after driving.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2011, 10:24:28 AM by Ret.Bugtech »

Offline certdubtech

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Re: Exhaust...cough...cough...

« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2011, 10:57:28 AM »
I always found the best way to install a type 4 heater box was with the engine out of the bus, and on a stand, and flipped over so that you could let the weight work for you, not against.   ;)


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