http://www.txideafarm.com/ethanolVWreport22.pdf

Who ever this fella is he knows his stuff I think

It was a test of a VW running E85.    SC

Bugtech,  your anti ethanol attitude is forcing me to lay down some facts

A. Using ethanol as an alternative to gasoline provides several key benefits.

Ethanol is good for the environment
Overall, ethanol is considered to be better for the environment than gasoline. Ethanol-fueled vehicles produce lower carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide emissions, and the same or lower levels of hydrocarbon and oxides of nitrogen emissions.

E85, a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline, also has fewer volatile components than gasoline, which means fewer emissions from evaporation.

Adding ethanol to gasoline in lower percentages, such as 10 percent ethanol and 90 percent gasoline (E10), reduces carbon monoxide emissions from the gasoline and improves fuel octane.

Ethanol is widely available and easy to use
Flexible fuel vehicles that can use E85 are widely available and come in many different styles from most major auto manufacturers.

Flexible fuel vehicles have the advantage of being able to use E85, gasoline, or a combination of the two, giving drivers the flexibility to choose the fuel that is most readily available and best suited to their needs.

Ethanol is good for the economy
Ethanol production supports farmers and creates domestic jobs. And because ethanol is produced domestically, from domestically grown crops, it reduces U.S. dependence on foreign oil and increases the nation’s energy independence.

I never said it wasn't clean. I never said it wouldn't work.  Thats not my point. Its the way that the Fed. Gov. handles the whole thing with subsidies made up with my tax dollars to entice farmers to  divert their corn crop to the Fed. subsidie E-85 refinerys  Its known that it takes a lot of Dino oil and fresh water to make ethanol.  You can make ethanol out of a lot of things, saw grass comes to mine and even kudsu but do you know that you have to seed over half of the U.S. with these crops to even think about making enough ethanol to be practical. We could chop down all of the remaining forest and plant more corn.
      Ethanol good for the economy ??  The only people that the economy would be good for would be the farmers and the Ethanol plants(aka the oil companys when they take total control).
      Ethanol good for the economy ??   Have you been grocery shopping lately. Anything connected with corn has doubled in price.  Why is the world starting to have a food shortage in countrys that depend on corn products.
       Ethanol good for the environment  ??   Sure it is if everything in the world that had a spark plug and were running 100% E-85.
       Its taken 100 years to screw things up and we are not going to fix things by next week.
       All electric cars are not practical due to slow battery develoment.
       Hybrids are not the answer. I saw a show this morning that was talking about their cost.  About $9,000 - $10,000 over a standard auto.
        They stated that it would take about 10 years to re-coup the extra cost along with replacing the $ 3,000 battery pack in about 5-7 years.
        The hydro-cell is the only thing I have seen thats feasble at this time and remember this not your Momma;s Hindinburg
        I belive Honda is releasing a Hydro-cell car very soon.

A weak dollar certanly doesn't help matters.   Check the Sunday Times/Free press.  A good article on Ethanol. They state that the gas blenders
( I wonder who they are :lol: ) get a 51% per gal.  tax credit if they add ethanol to the "Blend".   I guess the oil Company CEOs need a brace of new Benz's a what ? :lol:  :lol:

Ethanol production supports farmers and creates domestic jobs. And because ethanol is produced domestically, from domestically grown crops, it reduces U.S. dependence on foreign oil and increases the nation’s energy independence.

I know I'm from the triangle, but I gott'a side with Bugtech.  Ethanol increases demand for corn.  Corn prices go up.  I have to pay more for my corn flakes . . . and the dairy has to pay more for feed corn, so I have to pay more for my milk too.  The increased profit in corn causes farmers to raise more corn and less taters . . . every meal I eat has some form of taters . . . next thing you know, I'll be skinny!  The really sad thing is that in the end, the Ethanol is mixed with petrolium products and boost the big oil company's proffits.  Unless I brew my own, I'm hurting myself by buying ethanol.   :?

Now when I figure out how to brew ethanol from cudzu . . .  

I dont like corn flakes so it makes no nevermind what it costs  and all the cows I know eat grass,  Maybe rich city cows eat corn,  but triangle cows eat grass,  Which reduces pollution because the farmer does not have to use a lawn mower,   I hope beer does not have corn in it,  I'll have to buy some more and read the ingredients.  Now,  if ethanol was made with barley,  this would be another story,  

Zen,  I don't think potatoes eat corn,  so your food supply appears to be safe

SC

I,ll get back with you when I finish having the last post translated :lol:  :lol: