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Candace

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« on: November 03, 2004, 11:53:27 PM »
I have a question or two. I'm starting to doubt my van. It's a '77 Campmobile. I really do love it but, I tell you what, since I just recently moved and I have to drive to UTC every day and to and from elementary schools, the gas is KILLING me. So I put an ad in the classifieds to see if anyone might be interested in trading a bug. The fella I bought the van from a few months ago had a new engine installed he ordered from VW. So now it has 5K miles on the engine. So I'm thinking it's good to go, except I know the transmission will eventually give out since it's original. (But it's not showing any signs yet.) My question is: Is it fairly reasonable to think the van is reliable? I mean, besides the transmission? I'm not going to let it drop out on the highway if possible. I'd like to replace it within a year, just to be safe. But are there other major problems that could arise from driving it so much? It's my main vehicle and I drive from Soddy to downtown everyday, plus all the other little errands. I'm spending about $70/week in gas.
Another question: If I did find someone willing to trade a bug, how do I know what kind of value to put on it? Just if it's worth it to the both of us? Is it reasonable that I might find a decent bug for about the same value as my van?
I'm not absolutely sure about all this, but if I found the right bug, I would be very tempted to try to trade. What do ya'll think? How are the values bugs vs. bus? Is one or the other typically more expensive?
AND I heard that I might have to install some sort of emission control on it to conform to some new law next year. Is this true? And if so, what will that do to my gas mileage? Worse or better?
-Doubting Candace

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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2004, 02:16:18 AM »
If you trade for a bug, you will get a little better gas milage, but you give up a lot of room and portable home away from home.  Your gas mileage won't really increase that much.  I've got a 1600 type 1 engine in Homer the Superbus . . . I usually average anywhere from 19 to 22 MPG, depending on how and where I drive.  With the same engine in a bug I get about 28 to 30 MPG.  That looks like to me at best about a 1/3 savings on gas by going from a bus to a bug.  If you're spending $70 now, you're probably going to save less than $25 a week.

If you go to a bug you are also going to add a few regular maintneace items . . . Your '77 should have hydraulic lifters.  These make regular valve adjustments unnecessary.  The disc brakes up front don't require adjustments like a bug's front drum brakes do.  One advantage to a bug is that parts are generally easier to find and almost always cheaper than their bus counterparts.

If you really want high reliability and much better gas milage, you could buy a new Japanese gas/electric hybrid car.  You would cut your gas bill to a fraction of what it is now.  Of course you gott'a make payments and carry full coverage insurance.  And if it does break down you'll probably have to pay a dealership technician several hundreds of dollars to hook it to the computer and tell you that it needs several hundreds of dollars worth of parts.  Those little hybrids don't do very well on rough back roads going to a camp site either.  And they are kind'a cramped if you do get to the camp site . . .

What I'd do is look around and try to find a cheap bug and buy it outright.  You can probably find a decent driver for about what you might have to pay for a good late bus transaxle . . .  if you're planning on replacing it just because it's old and it could fail, I'm betting that you haven't priced one recently have you?  Anyway, if KEEP the campmobile and add a bug to your stable, you'll have the option of getting better milage when you don't need the room in the bus, but you'll still have the bus if you do need the room or want to go camping.  And if one breaks down, you've got a back-up . . . and you don't have to have an engineering degree and a 29 Gigahertz Pentium 53 with a bazillion megs of RAM to figure out what's wrong when something does go wrong.  You also won't have car payment.  OK, you will have to pay a little more on insurance to carry the second car . . . but that twenty-something dollars worth of gas you save each week could pay for that . . .

OK, with all that out of the way, I'm going to give you some good advice.  You don't need to doubt!  You can rest assured that your bus will break down on you sooner or later.  But, you can also rest assured that it will probably be easy to diagnose and, relitive to a new car, be cheap to fix.  And no matter where you are, when you break down in a VW bus, friends you never knew you had will show up to save the day.  Some day when I have the time I'll tell you about driving 150 away from home stuck in 4th gear, and then blowing an engine . . . the only tool I had with me was a screwdriver and I had $60 cash.  The next day I drove home with a new engine driving all 4 gears.

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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2004, 06:50:53 AM »
As for the transmission, unless your bus is an automatic, the trannys are very reliable. Depending on who had your bus before, the dope inside your tranny probably needs to be changed. After I got my '67 a few years ago and started going thru her, one of the things I did was started draining the oil/sludge out of her gear box. It drained for 2 days before it stoped draining. I put new 90 weight oil in her, drove her about 150 miles and drained it again then filled her up with synthetic gear lube. I have no earthly idea how many miles are on Lucille but she supposedly made 3 trips to South America and I've personally driven her to Florida 3 times and I just had the tranny out of her a couple of months ago for some syncronizer problems. I don't think the transmission had ever been out of her before. To make a long story short, I don't think you need to worry about your transmission unless it's giving you some kind of problem now.

I grew up in a grage and one of my Daddy's favorite sayings was "boy, if it ain't broke............don't fix it." I miss my dad.

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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2004, 08:42:18 AM »
One thing you need to keep in mind too is that while you may have little young uns now, you'll eventyally have big young uns. Speaking from experience of having to share a beetle backseat with a brother through almost my entire youth - keep the bus! The extra room will make for a much happier family while driving!   :thumbs-up:

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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2004, 10:05:41 AM »
Well I guess I will put my two cents worth in. Let s get real . There is no aircool bug or bus that will get the fuel milage that the newer cars can achive. Some folks might get 30 mpg with a Beetle but I never did even with the Bug being brand new. Of course I didn`t just creep around either.
   I look at the Hybrids with one eye open. $20,000 bucks if you want wheels with it and I read somewhere that the batteries could cost up to $1.700 when they went south. You can`t haul anything in them and you can`t get them repaired at Wal-Mart.
   I have a friend with a `91 Lincoln town car with all the "goodies' and 200,000 + miles that gets about 19mpg in town and 24-26 mpg on the road. He drives it on long trips even. This old car isn`t worth $800 on the market ,but he says it ain`t over til its over.
  I have a `92 Volvo wagon that has 140,000 miles on it that Linda drives from East Brainerd to the top of Signal Mtn. everyday and she gets 21-22 mpg and we get around 28-32mpg on the road. Im not saying that you need to run out and buy a old Lincoln or Volvo but just to point out that there are other options out there besides trying to fix up a old Bug and hope its last . If you are not up to snuff with your mechanical skills even a Beetle could get expensive to maintain.
   I don`t have a clue what your finances are,but I wouldn`t be to quick about selling/trading your camper . Good ones are getting harder to find and you know about this one and with a couple of "Rug Rats" you would hate yourself down the road.
   You might check out VW Rabbits(if you can find a good one) VW Golfs, Jettas . A lot of these cars have a resale value of a large rock and you might pick up one that could possibley be within your budget and be a good car for you.  Nissan ,Toyota,Honda. They all get better fuel mileage than a Bug and you have power steering, brakes and maybe good A/C.
  You might love your VWs,as I do,But sometimes you just have to be practical about things. Remember , All this advice is worth exactly what it cost you. You will have to make the final call. L.O.L. :-k

Candace

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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2004, 11:11:49 PM »
Go-llyyyy! Well, I asked, didn't I?  :P
I think you're all right, but just for the record, I wouldn't even consider getting anything that requires a monthly payment or anything that ... well, doesn't reflect me. SO I suppose that's reason enough. Plus all the other things you guys mentioned. I really do love to be able to go out to the van and just CHILL no matter where I am. And if I do break down, at least I can take a nap waiting on a rescue.
I'll quit doubting and get my drill/sander back out.
Thanks for the input. And yes, I think I will start a little fund to ADD a bug.

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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2004, 12:39:41 AM »
Quote from: "Candace"
I'll quit doubting and get my drill/sander back out.
Thanks for the input. And yes, I think I will start a little fund to ADD a bug.


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My work here is done.    :lol:

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2004, 07:59:06 AM »
Tis far better to own two Volkswagens than just one anyway :lol:  :lol:

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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2004, 08:35:37 AM »
By the way, who in the club currently holds the title of owning the most Volkswagens?

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2004, 10:22:47 AM »
Good for you Candace.  I love a purist. You have to watch out with this group. Not a whole lot gets by us .  You will get more advise/help that will make  Dear Abby look like a piker. If you really want to have fun and find out who is looking in, make some kind of off the wall comment about someones pride and joy. I love to do this when things get a little slow on the forums. I may have to hide for a day or so but , so far no shot out windows. [-o<

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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2004, 10:45:20 AM »
Charlton , I would like to know that anwser also. Do you mean live ones or Yard Art ? If the German Wehrmacht had depended on me for a set of wheels, They would still be walking.
  Herby, What do you mean 4 or more VWs. If you come dragging anymore refugees home, Dee is going ship you off to the "Farm" or you will have to move into your new "lean to" :lol:

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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2004, 11:00:25 AM »
Quote from: "Bugz"
By the way, who in the club currently holds the title of owning the most Volkswagens?


My guess would be Herb.  I "think" I probably held that title at one point in time, but no more.  In sheer numbers Herb probably has more that I had at my peak, but in terms of "VWs Per Square Foot" I don't think my record will ever be beat.

One question about how to count them . . . If I've got a 68 floor pan leanned up against the wall inside the garage and a rusted out 67 body shell sitting on the ground in the back yard . . . Does that count as 1 or 2?  Together there still isn't a whole car, but there ARE two different VIN numbers?   :whistle:



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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2004, 01:53:40 PM »
Well, Herb, I've personally had zero problems with my automatic!  I do have a spare in the garage, though.  Just in case!  Usually the manuals will give you some warning in the form of a whine or groan.  Rarely do they just blow unless they run out of oil (ask how I know!)  Candace, I have mainly dittos to add to what's already been said.  When you get something new, you start the learning process over.  It takes a while to weed out the problems in a new thirty-year-old car, and there will be problems.  You know the bus and it's personality.  A professionally built type 4 motor will give years of cheap reliability.  As to the rest of the bus, preventitive maintenence is the key to avoiding problems.  Keep fluids changed and filled and proper air in the tires.  Look it over regularly with an eye to catch a little problem before it becomes big.  Of course, if you want to ADD a Beetle, again, it never hurts to have a spare!

Candace

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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2004, 01:19:04 AM »
Ok, I've got a bit 'o time coming up, with the end of semester and all. So, Anthony, tell me about the oil. And is it fairly normal for it to pop out of reverse? Not while in motion, but I guess it just has a hard time getting there and staying there.

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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2004, 09:19:18 AM »
Hi Candace ! Is your bus automatic or staight shift ? If its automatic, it definatly shouldnt be popping out of reverse or hard to find. On a stick thats more common as showing signs of old age and wear. I sometimes have to "search" for reverse with the shifters that my busses have but once they are in gear they dont come out. Probably could fix that with a new bushing, but hey thats their personality LOL As far as the oil, thats a maitenance thing and they should be checked regularly and kept full and clean, on any of them. Happy Thanksgiving
Oh and I currently have 2 busses and 2 bugs......on the how many thing

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