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Offline IamTheBoogieman

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2014, 08:08:51 PM »
Nope...
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Offline travisyoung

Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2014, 09:39:35 PM »
Try taping on the fuel pump with power to it or use a jumper lead to power the fuel pump from the battery to see if will run

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2014, 12:30:39 AM »
I think harbor freight has a free coupon for a multi meter.

http://widgets.harborfreight.com/wswidgets/common/displayCoupon.do?week=1814&campaign=a&page=coupon2b.html&cust=60421965544&keycode=1010&single=true&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1814a&utm_source=1010

John Muir has a little drawing somewhere in the idiots guide that shows how to make a test light with a piece of wire and one of the dome light torpedo shaped bulbs. It essentially is two pieces of wire with the ends striped and twisted into a small circle. You put one on each end and the pull the wire towards the other side, so that the wire crosses the bulb. Then you tie the wires in a knot to keep the circles tight on their respective ends. You use the loose ends for your contacts to whatever your testing!

Offline IamTheBoogieman

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2014, 08:14:01 AM »
when people start speaking "electrically" .... all i hear is Charlie Brown's school teacher.....

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2014, 08:40:09 AM »
Dont have a volt meter...

But when i unpluged the bottom Wire and plugged it back..there was a spark...she was holding the flap down
I will say this with the experience of having resurrected 4 of these late buses / campers: Your pump is stuck.
The fact that you got a spark means that you have a ground "-".
Granted you could have a poor ground - see earlier references to cleaning cables and ends.
Assuming that you have a good ground, then you may have something jamming the pump (varnish from crusty dried up gas is a main culprit) you can possibly clean and clear this but I have only had this occur on one of the 4 that I have attempted.  Then I always wondered if it was going to lock up again.
Swami says, "a new pump is probably in your future."
They are expensive, but if you buy a used one then you may be doing this again soon.

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2014, 10:11:54 AM »
i priced a new one for 219$ out the door at tri state.  i guess i should do the filter while im at it? i can get it tomorrow

and i guess i need some sort of fuel line clamp??? to put on either side before i disconnect?

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2014, 10:24:12 AM »
when people start speaking "electrically" .... all i hear is Charlie Brown's school teacher.....

It's really simple. Electricity is just like water. If you think about it like plumbing, then it all makes sense. If there is a blockage in the pipe (broken wire, corrosion, etc) then the water (electricity) won't be getting to where it needs to go.

Checking for power to an item is pretty simple. You can buy a $5 test light that clips on to the negative terminal of the battery (or a clean metal part of the engine or body) and then use the probe to verify if you are getting power to where you want it. It won't tell  you much more than that since you are only testing a small light  bulb. If you are trying to power an item that requires a lot of electricity, then you might be getting enough power to light a test light, but not enough to make the item work. This happens with starter motors often because they require high amperage. I would recommend a multi-meter for diagnosing these things, although a test light will help immensely.

You can check the Ohms (resistance) of a wire by turning a multi-meter to the one that looks like a horseshoe- the omega. If the wire reads really really close to 0, then it has no resistance. If it reads anything higher, then it has resistance and electricity won't flow through it (think like an old iron pipe that has corroded itself closed on the inside). This test is good to see if you have a good ground between something like a fuel pump and the negative terminal on the battery. Since the metal body of the vehicle conducts electricity by design, you have to verify that it has good connections. You can also check resistance in any wire to verify that your + wire doesn't have a cut or anything through it. If you keep blowing a fuse, then one of your wires might have worn through the insulation and has grounded out. You can check for this by checking the resistance to the body.

On my bug many years ago, I couldn't get it started after towing it to a new place I was living. I used the bug to pack stuff into and when I unloaded, I couldn't get it started. I tried and tried, but it never fired off. After tons of trying this, that and the other, I checked to see if I was getting 12volts to the coil. Nope! I checked the resistance from the wire at the fuse box all the way to where it plugged into the coil. It read 1.0  ??? Somewhere in between I had a break in the wire. I started tracing it and found a kill switch that cut power to the coil for an anti-theft device or something. I flipped the switch and it started up! Point is, you can check for power first and then diagnose which part is failing.

That's my electrical advice for the day. KC is probably right though: fuel pump could be bad.

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2014, 10:33:42 AM »
i priced a new one for 219$ out the door at tri state.  i guess i should do the filter while im at it?

Might as well since you are in there. If KC is right and crud is what messed it up, then you should take necessary precautions.

and i guess i need some sort of fuel line clamp??? to put on either side before i disconnect?

You can. I've used an 8mm bolt or a 1/4 bolt to shove into the end of the fuel line. I've even used a pencil. A pair of vicegrips will work or you can buy fancy ones. I used one of these the other day that Russ let us borrow and it was awesome:

Offline Russ

Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2014, 02:06:10 PM »
I'm all for supporting local business like Tri-State but Bus Depot also sells the Bosch fuel pump for $150: http://www.busdepot.com/gfp301

They also have an off brand for $100, but I'd personally go with the Bosch: http://www.busdepot.com/043906091

The fuel line clamp I have is Stahlwille SF12975, don't remember where I got it but you can Google the part number. Here's a place selling it for 15 bucks: http://www.toolsource.com/steel-fuel-hose-clamp-p-78872.html?osCsid=82kfrq90m3f3hpgp398occrg71

Changing the fuel filter while you're down there is a good idea too, make sure you get the white boxy one. $6.95 at Bus Depot: http://www.busdepot.com/133133511

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2014, 03:26:52 PM »
thank you both!

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2014, 04:07:44 PM »
ok, looks like im putting in an order on bus depot.  also getting the filler neck cause im pretty sure mine is cracked.  but also need to get the fuel sender....can yall help me figure out which one though..??

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2014, 04:10:37 PM »
They also have an off brand for $100, but I'd personally go with the Bosch: http://www.busdepot.com/043906091

The Godfather used to say something to affect of "If Bosch makes one, don't buy anything else."  I can't tell you how many electrical problems I had with my Bus the first 5 years I had it . . . it ate generators, starters, batteries and light bulbs like they were penny candy.  I finally ditched the $19 AutoZone voltage regulator and bought a new $35 Bosch regulator.  All of my electrical problems vanished and never came back.   :o   Guess the old guy knew what he was talking about!   8)

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2014, 04:20:51 PM »
This is the sending unit you need: http://www.busdepot.com/211919051a

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2014, 04:28:34 PM »
thanks Russ


now...who the hell was this Godfather!?! lol

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Re: broke down, towed home...lost in the sauce.....

« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2014, 04:43:02 PM »
now...who the hell was this Godfather!?! lol

 :o

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