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Offline Smelly_Cat

Ball joint replacement on a Supersonic beetle

« on: February 25, 2009, 09:18:09 PM »
so I am thinking about putting a ball joint on stupie.  Maybe even splurge and do 2 of them.  What steps do I need to do?  Scwish the spring,  then undo the ball joint.  IS it easy of a real pain in the bottom?  SC

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Ball joint replacement on a Supersonic beetle

« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2009, 09:34:42 PM »
Yes !!

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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2009, 10:06:35 PM »
Here's the best place to go for advice and parts on Stuper Beetle front ends:

http://www.toplineparts.com/default.html

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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2009, 08:46:07 AM »
SC,  I have done a lot of ball joints on those S.B. and sometimes they can be a booger getting them off do to them rusting them selves to the struts and sometimes they just fall off in your hands. You need to check the track arm bushings while your there. They are located in the center of the pan where the the track arm comes from the ball joints to the body. They are one of most over-looked item for front end shaking and they are the adjustment for camber also. If they are bad you have to press them out and in. I'm not sure you could do that job. They can be really "mean".

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Ball joint replacement on a Supersonic beetle

« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 08:38:51 AM »
Ok,  so I get the spring squsiher from autozone,   Order a $25 ball joint.  
Remove the leather glove and and nylon ties I wrapped around the shaky ball joint.
Bada bing bada boom.   replace .    I dont need a press or anything do I?

Zen TOpline had the parts but I did not see any instructions

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2009, 10:41:31 AM »
It's been a year or two since I looked at Top Line's web site.  They've removed a bunch of the free info they used to have posted.  I've dealt with them before over the phone and the person I talked with wasn't just a parts salesman . . . he restored, drove and even raced Super Beetles.  Looks like now they've got some hot chick to answer phone calls.  8)  If you want technical help, you have to email them and it has to be about parts you bought from them or parts you intend to buy from them and they will eventually email you back.  I guess customer service is the first place companys cut back on when times get rough.   :(   They don't seem to have the urethane bushings as a kit anymore either.  Mid-America Motorworks has a bushing kit for $24.99 that has everything you need . . . except for the camber bolts . . . you can reuse the old ones if you don't destroy them getting them out.  The part number for the bushing kit is 311-245.

You don't need a spring squisher . . . you just need that to replace your strut cartrigdes.  You really need to replace all the front bushings and both ball joints at the same time.  It's not that much more work and you can do it all for under $100.  Getting it apart and getting the old bushings and ball joints out is 95% of the job.  The urethane bushings are much easier to install than the originals are to remove.  You need a press for the ball joints, but you can do it without one if you are really good at improvising and have a side grinder, a die grinder and a big enough hammer . . . and nerves of steel.   :lol:

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Ball joint replacement on a Supersonic beetle

« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2009, 11:16:19 AM »
Zen,  I have a hammer  .   Why do I need a grinder?   I better look at this again.  Do you think I should let a shop change it?  I hate to let other men touch my stupie.  SC

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Ball joint replacement on a Supersonic beetle

« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2009, 12:03:51 PM »
I would let someone who knows how  do this job.   I think you will be way ahead.  It would be done faster, better, safer. It will cost you more but then you would be at work doing what you do best and the mech. would be doing what he does best. This would save you all the busted nuckles, cussing, Time,and the money for replacing all the New Parts you ordered and destroyed trying to "beat-bang" them into place.

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2009, 04:32:26 PM »
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Zen,  I have a hammer  .   Why do I need a grinder?


'Cause you don't have a press.  The best way to get ball joints (and the bushing on the other end of the arm) out is to have someone with the proper tools and skills to press them out and press the new ones back in.  If you use the urethane bushings, you don't have to have them pressed in like the stock bushings, but you still have to get the original bushing out.

If you MUST do it yourself, take the arm off, grind the bottom off the joint and knock the guts (the ball/stud) out of it.  Then you can use a die grinder and carefully grind a slot in the side of the outer part of the joint.  If you don't have a die grinder, I have assembled a hack saw with the blade upside down and running through the joint and cut through it that way.  Where there's a will, there's a way.  OK, maybe not a good way, but there's a way.  You want to cut through the wall of the joint, but not touch the arm it's pressed into.  If you can do that, it releves the stress on the joint and it's pretty easy to tap it out with a hammer.  If you can find something the right size to lay it on and the right size to fit against the back of the joint, and you are VERY careful and VERY lucky, you can drive the new joint back into the arm without damaging it or bending the arm.

Here's a better way:  Listen to Ret.Bugtech!  There's a reason most people pay a good mechanic to replace ball joints.  Do it yourself and you'll know why.   :wink:

Which ever way you do it, you MUST (I don't mean should, I mean MUST) take it to a GOOD alignment shop and get the front end lined up when your done.  If you are not going to have it aligned, don't bother working on it at all.  You won't be able to hold it in the road if you don't.

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Ball joint replacement on a Supersonic beetle

« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2009, 05:35:11 PM »
Thanks Zen,
I think Mitchells  in lafayette  could do the ball joint.  unless you have someone you like better.  
 By the way,     I cant hold it on the road now. So I can't do anymore harm to this dead cat.
I do know for a fact that one ball joint is crappe
 I'll probally wrap another glove around it and a new nylon ties.    maybe some bike innertube for good measure.   Alls well at 35 mph    SC

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2009, 09:12:21 AM »
If you do it right, a Stuper Beetle can one of the best handling cars you've ever driven.  But if anything is the least bit out of whack, it'll let you know!

Ditch the gloves and wire ties and spring for new joints and bushings . . . and any other parts that show any sign of wear.  Make sure the wheels and tires are perfectly round, have no radial run out and are perfectly ballanced.  Bolt on some lowering struts and drop it about an inch to an inch and half.  Bolt on a strut tower brace to keep the body from flexing.  Have it aligned when you get through.  Find a winding back road and take off.  Except for the lack of power, you'll think you're driving a new sports car.   :wink:

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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2009, 10:38:16 AM »
Dang Zen, You don't think SC is going to do all of that do you ?  I guess he is going to wait until the ball joint comes apart and then he can park it next to his Subaru since they will look very much alike  :roll:  :roll:

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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2009, 12:27:16 PM »
Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"
Dang Zen, You don't think SC is going to do all of that do you ?


Of course he will!  :wink:

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Ball joint replacement on a Supersonic beetle

« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2009, 08:24:07 AM »
I'm gonna go with david on this one.  When it comes to the press in style super ball joints, let someone who knows what they are doing attack them.

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Ball joint replacement on a Supersonic beetle

« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2009, 07:30:21 PM »
Well its my birth day this month so I  got a ball joint. 27 bucks at the shop in Dalton.  Whoopee.   I took all your advice.  then decided to do it myself.  From the looks of things  this might be easier since its a sooper beatnik.   I got the 3 upper bolts loose the bottom one is being stuborn and is about to be drilled out. I love working on Stupie when its drizzleing outside.  I need a garage.   I have one question.   Will the strut and coil spring burst through my chest  when I get the bolts removed?.    Sc


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