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Offline RobertoRios

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air bubbles

« on: May 09, 2011, 10:12:48 AM »
Hi everyone....my beetle has died on me twice on the side of the road. The first time I ran out of gas...so I put gas in it. It ran for a little while and then it died...the gas line was dirty with rust and water....anyways...I unplugged the line from the gas pump and tried to start the car...this cleared out the gas line (at least I think it did). The next day it happened again. The car just died in the middle of the road. I pushed it out of the way...after trying to start it several times it finally started. Now it is in my house....when I tried to run it just in front of my house...-->starts good -->first good --> second it kinda wants to die. I have to depress the gas pedal and press and release the clutch very slowly and the gas very slowly so it can run in second gear. I also see air bubbles in my gas filter. Every time i press the gas pedal I have those little filters (that I am going to change--fire hazard) in between gas pump and carburetor...and I can see gas and a lot of bubbles coming from the gas pump when I press the gas pedal......any ideas?? ? ??? ???

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Re: air bubbles

« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2011, 10:23:19 AM »
If it's a Brosol brand pump, they are notorious for going bad, and it's not uncommon for them to be bad right out of the box.  There should be a pin through the base where the pump lever pivoits . . . those will fall out sometimes and the pump will pump a little bit of fuel, but not enough to keep it running down the road.  Also check your oil . . . if the diaphram in the pump goes bad, it will leak gas into your oil.

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Re: air bubbles

« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 10:28:15 AM »
I've played this game before... if your gas tank and your gas line have rust and crud in them, then it typically is coming from the tank. The outlet for the tank has a little tube with a metal mesh sock over it. When too much crud gets stirred up, the sock gets clogged and gas stops flowing (thus air bubbles). Let it sit for a while and everything settles down, the car will start up again and run until the crud starts to move around (by driving it). It would probably run just fine and dandy until you actually move the car.

The best thing to do is to remove the tank, get the rust out (radiator shop, acid treatment, etc) and seal it (radiator shop, eastman's set up, POR15's set up, etc...). I did this with my bus gas tank. I did it super cheap with muratic acid from Home Depot and a quart of sealer from Eastman's. It was messy, and awful. The really thick varnish wouldn't come out with out acetone and then I could acid wash it. About 2 minutes after you take the acid out, it flash rusts, so you have to be really quick. Taking one to a radiator shop costs ~$100

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Re: air bubbles

« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2011, 11:08:34 AM »
All of above. I could never get a Bug to eat rusty water.  ;D ;D

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Re: air bubbles

« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2011, 11:52:44 AM »
If you take the tank somewhere and have it cleaned and sealed correctly, it will cost about as much as buying a new tank . . . but a new tank is just a temporary solution.  Give it a few years and it'll be just about as rusty as the original.  If it's done right, cleaning and sealing the tank stops the rust from ever coming back.  ;)

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: air bubbles

« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2011, 01:32:23 PM »
If you take the tank somewhere and have it cleaned and sealed correctly, it will cost about as much as buying a new tank . . . but a new tank is just a temporary solution.  Give it a few years and it'll be just about as rusty as the original.  If it's done right, cleaning and sealing the tank stops the rust from ever coming back.  ;)
Besides these new tanks do not always fit good. Mainly the filler hoses.

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Re: air bubbles

« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2011, 04:27:27 PM »
If you take the tank somewhere and have it cleaned and sealed correctly, it will cost about as much as buying a new tank . . . but a new tank is just a temporary solution.  Give it a few years and it'll be just about as rusty as the original.  If it's done right, cleaning and sealing the tank stops the rust from ever coming back.  ;)
Besides these new tanks do not always fit good. Mainly the filler hoses.


Yes... and yes.... I will ALWAYS reccomend treating an old tank over buying a new one.  Like Zen said, if you get over the initial fit problems, you will be back in the rust game within a year or two.  Just fix the old one if you can... Southern Radiator on Broad St is where I have taken them for years now.   8)

Offline RobertoRios

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Re: air bubbles

« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2011, 06:09:07 PM »
hey guys...my tank is now clean and i still have bubbles...everytime i press the gas pedal i can see bubbles going from the gas pump through my litle cheap filter to the carb...do you think this is the cause why everytime i gear up or down..the car kinda wants to die..i have to repress the clutch and then the gas very slowly until "it catches up" or until the car shutts off.  :-\ 

another question: when i have my car running it gets very hot very fast...i can literally boil water with the pipes..(i already burned my leg with it)...they get so hot, i also feel a flow of hot air from under the engine compartment and the muffler. Is there a way to see if the fan is working? how do i know if the engine is overheating?

thanks guys

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Re: air bubbles

« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2011, 08:05:39 AM »
Please take your car to a Aircool VW tech( R&M 423-305-1861) before you have a stroke. If the gen is turning your fan is turning. Did you ever get your ing. timing set by someone who knows what he is doing ?   You have a bunch of little things going on and we could sit here all day trying to explaine things where as a good VW tech could spot stuff in a hurry if he were looking at the car in person.

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Re: air bubbles

« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2011, 08:53:07 AM »
Please take your car to a Aircool VW tech( R&M 423-305-1861) before you have a stroke. If the gen is turning your fan is turning. Did you ever get your ing. timing set by someone who knows what he is doing ?   You have a bunch of little things going on and we could sit here all day trying to explaine things where as a good VW tech could spot stuff in a hurry if he were looking at the car in person.

X 2 to all of that.... and the longer you attempt to do an internet based troubleshoot session, the more of a chance you can do real damage to the engine if it is overheating.

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Re: air bubbles

« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2011, 07:51:54 PM »
If the gen is turning your fan is turning.

I've actually had one where that wasn't true . . . The center of the fan ripped out.  the shaft was spinning but the fan wasn't.  Of course, it was obvious from the sound that something was bad wrong with it.

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Re: air bubbles

« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2011, 09:28:22 PM »
  Of course, it was obvious from the sound that something was bad wrong with it.

Uhhh.... yeah....  ;D

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