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Offline Ret.Bugtech

adjusting lifters

« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2007, 09:19:11 AM »
Drive her 'till she blows ?   I would hate to see you on a trip to some show/ camping deal only to have you engine take a "break" out in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night. You are braver than I am.
    I can't see that could be much fun driving down the road sweating bullets wondering if the dang thing is going to make it to the next mile marker.
   You had better have someone local or at least close to you take a hard look at that "critter". Then you would have someones neck to get your hands around if it "pukes" on you.
   Beware of these so called Re-man engines you find on-line or in Hot VWs that are 3000 miles from you. If they don't speak English ,hang up.
   I have been some what involved in a few of these deals over the years. Customer buys a engine, I install it, It blows up and guess who gets the blame. I call the rebuilder, he speaks Russian and very little English and tells me to "Stuff It". :roll:

manikmike

adjusting lifters

« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2007, 10:10:29 AM »
Hah!  Agreed- I'll be going for a Boston Bob engine when I do.  No interest in other El Cheapo y Guapo rebuilds.  I'd love to try it myself but time and space are minimal.

As far as traveling- if it's just me, I'm not concerned if it quits- and have the resources to get 'er home.  If it's me and my Ole Lady (well, younger-then-me-lady), we stick within 100 miles of home (Yahoo AAA)!  

Meanwhile with a bit-o-luck (I may be lacking since I'm Scottish/ Italian) and some help from smart folk like ya'll, I'll continue to make the GEX run as well as I can while it holds together and within itself.

She's hitching around fine right now and sounds smoother than before at the settings I described above.  Thanks again for the tips on the valves for finding TDC- clever that!

Here's why I have this attitude- GEX is by all accounts- except maybe 2 folks in the world of VW- a shite engine.  I can tear it down, try and fix one problem, and very, VERY likely have another- and another- and spend months chasing always one problem more, induced by either GEX's sloppy methods or my learning curve.  I see no point in spending that kind of time and $$ when I can simply attempt to make it run well as long as it can, and drop a rebuilt in that is warrantied and done by someone with decades instead of weeks of knowledge.  I didn't purchase this camper for it's reliability or (somewhat ironically) to sit in the driveway every weekend.  I purchased it for it's condition and cool vibe and accepted the fact of the GEX.  Some folks may find fault with that, and I respect their opinion.

Cheers, Mike

Offline Ret.Bugtech

adjusting lifters

« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2007, 10:49:44 AM »
AH !   Scottish yet !   I be Scottish with a very clever blond hair/blue eyed younger than me wife of German decent (Strickler). Interesting combo. Dang good mechanic also. She is on my Butt about finishing our
faux KdF  Type-82e comanderwagen (W/Kubel running gear) radio-recon Bug. Whew!!  Thats a lot of words in one breath ! Its going to be cute  in its WW-2 1943 camo. "spinter" pattern.
     Press on and keep us posted on develoments. If we can help you further, we are just a "click" away. :thumbs-up:  :thumbs-up:

Offline Ret.Bugtech

adjusting lifters

« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2007, 11:05:36 AM »
Oh Yeah,  Good thinking on not attempting to re-building this engine if this is you first shot at doing a VW air-cool unless you are insane. This is not your mama's Bug engine. All you have to do is stand around a bunch of old fart retired VW techs and bring up the subject on rebuilding a Type-4 engine and Boy !    Watch them scatter :lol:  :lol:

Offline VWGirl

  • Rossville,GA/ Micanopy, FL
  • Joined: Jan 2006
  • Posts: 642

adjusting lifters

« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2007, 01:19:40 PM »
i didnt find the type 4 to be much different once i took the fan off... i was happily surprised to find a very similar looking beast!

Offline Ret.Bugtech

adjusting lifters

« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2007, 02:07:04 PM »
Very similar, but if you haven't had a Type-1 completly apart you don't need to be messing around with this one.  This "critter" doesn't take kindly to "Boo-Boos that you can get away with on a Type-1. Can be very costly

Offline VWGirl

  • Rossville,GA/ Micanopy, FL
  • Joined: Jan 2006
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adjusting lifters

« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2007, 04:08:27 PM »
i believe i had to adjust the valves on my bus 3 or 4 times before i reinstalled it as i didnt know that the hydraulic lifters were different... the bus probably wouldnt have liked being adjusted to .006!

then there were the discrepancies of exactly what you should adjust them to...

and that reminds me i still need a new bleeder screw... anyone have just one extra lying around? i have one that is a bit cross threaded!

manikmike

adjusting lifters

« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2007, 10:08:10 PM »
Type1, Type4, TypeNeverDoneBefore... Jeep 258 straight 6 and Olds 330 V8, that's my engine rebuild experience... when I was young and had space to work!  

Scottish and Italian = bullheaded whiskey/ dark beer drinker... OK at parties, dogged at mechanical tasks, a bit too stupid to accept defeat!  Pleasure to meet another Scot.

Exactly my point- why bother tearing this engine apart regardless of my sanity (no comments please).  I'll be lucky if it can be used as a core, and then it should only be done by a pro.  I've no problem replacing all the ancillaries, since they'll be wicked for a rebuilt just as much as if the GEX survives another 1 or 1K miles.

I'll check for valve seat problems when I replace the cover gaskets- they finally started leaking after the 5th On/ Off...

So, that said, I've these questions please:

Think I should tighten the gap from 1 turn to 1.25?  Seems fine, but I'm curious enough to try...

What are the running symptoms of a dropped valve seat?

Anyone with experience playing with the air/fuel mix without expensive electronic accessories for guidance?  Pulling the vacuum off the fuel pressure reg. causes increase in rpms which supposedly is a sign of richness (I think; tend to drink red when I'm reading archives)... any thoughts welcome!

Cheers, Mike

Gehackt

adjusting lifters

« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2007, 11:44:47 PM »
I honestly think this new guy Mike is going to give Smelly Cat a run for his money, and his humor!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Mike, do you have a good fuel line from the tank to the engine? :lol:
I know you probably don't undersyand but a lot of others do!
Big Joe

manikmike

adjusting lifters

« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2007, 11:56:42 PM »
Who is this Smelly Cat and where can I buy him/ her a frosty beverage, compare scars, alcohol tolerances and Speedo collections?

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do you have a good fuel line from the tank to the engine?


(adopt Mafia tone) Who's askin'?!?

We talking Bus or Me?  Bus has all new fuel lines and clamps everywhere.  Me has solid lines to the big head and the little head; however, after some whiskey and beer "it's the Little Head does the thinkin..."  

and John Hiatt has left the building!

Offline Ret.Bugtech

adjusting lifters

« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2007, 08:58:37 AM »
Who is Smelly Cat ?   You will have to go to the "slow starter thread" and read the whole story. You will learn about the "Triangle" also.
     I don't know if we are ready for this.  His name is ? you guess it,
  MIKE !!
 
    You will know when a valve seat starts moving around. Much clattering, missing, popping and pooping, valve adjustment keeps changing, sometimes correcting itselve only to return even louder until the seat/valve break up and test the strength of the top of the related piston. Most of the time the piston loses out. If you are at highway speeds when this happens, the now departed seat or valve ends up in the crankcase where there is not much room for extra parts . The crankshaft will get rid of them for you by "tossing" them out through the top of the case. Not a good thing. It will sometimes make the hair stand up on the back of your neck and your wallet starts going through withdrawal :(
    Now is the time to pour yourselve a "single malt" :lol:

manikmike

adjusting lifters

« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2007, 09:16:35 AM »
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Now is the time to pour yourselve a "single malt"


Some might say it's a bit early, but I say it's always Happy Hour somewhere!

Thanks for the info- I'll check in for opinion whenever I have a chance to check the valves/ compression again- this weekend I've got to outrig my Civic for my trip to New England.

Cheers, Mike

Gehackt

adjusting lifters

« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2007, 09:19:11 AM »
See what I started!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol: I beleive you gave me the name of "Peckerwood" from an earlier post! :shock:
Are you still using the Bug-a-Palooza 3 shirt I gave you for a sleeping shirt? 8)

Mike, until you strap a lawnmower to your bumper and use it for your fuel cell on your Bus, you got a long way to go to catch up to SC

Offline Ret.Bugtech

adjusting lifters

« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2007, 09:51:36 AM »
Hey "Peckerwood"   I fly the Bug-A-P............" T" inverted as a distress signal.   Still no help ! :lol:  :lol:

Offline VWGirl

  • Rossville,GA/ Micanopy, FL
  • Joined: Jan 2006
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adjusting lifters

« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2007, 09:58:11 AM »
:lol:

my piston didn't lose the battle... i just have a couple extra cc's

I don't think Mike has much on SC when it comes to triangle inginuity... we're normal in FL:lol: but i do really enjoy his threads and good beer!

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