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Offline Got Bug ?

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63 with a cough

« on: February 11, 2013, 09:53:00 PM »
My '63 beetle, stock engine, has developed a problem. I drive it almost daily and it starts and idles just as I expect, but underway at a steady cruising speed in high gear it began to cough. I know that's not a great description, but it just sort of coughs or hiccups, then goes on as usual. Sort of as if I switched the ignition off then back on real fast.
I replaced the plugs and points, no change. Heet in the gas with each fillup...no change there either.
Over the past few weeks it has gotten a bit worse. It happens about mid throttle in third and high as I accelerate from a steady speed. Usually a single cough or two, sometimes several in a series and more often once the engine is warmed up to operating temp. There is a noticible roughness at mid throttle also when under load and some vibration.
When this occurs, in either gear, I can press the accelerator to the floor and my car begins to gain speed normally up to (or close to) redline.
New dist cap and wires last year. Valves maybe??? Carb???

 

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 11:02:34 PM »
My '63 beetle, stock engine, has developed a problem. I drive it almost daily and it starts and idles just as I expect, but underway at a steady cruising speed in high gear it began to cough. I know that's not a great description, but it just sort of coughs or hiccups, then goes on as usual. Sort of as if I switched the ignition off then back on real fast.
I replaced the plugs and points, no change. Heet in the gas with each fillup...no change there either.
Over the past few weeks it has gotten a bit worse. It happens about mid throttle in third and high as I accelerate from a steady speed. Usually a single cough or two, sometimes several in a series and more often once the engine is warmed up to operating temp. There is a noticible roughness at mid throttle also when under load and some vibration.
When this occurs, in either gear, I can press the accelerator to the floor and my car begins to gain speed normally up to (or close to) redline.
New dist cap and wires last year. Valves maybe??? Carb???

 
A "Hesitation" while under accel.  9 time out of 10 is caused by the booster pump in the (sometimes called the spray jet) in the carb. being stopped up or the booster pump diapham itself  on the side of the carb going bad.

Offline ASBug

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Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2013, 08:14:00 AM »
Heed the words of the master....
Sounds like a fuel delivery issue.
KC

Offline Got Bug ?

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Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2013, 03:32:36 PM »
I will heed the words...
Thank you from the bottom of my oil cooler...
When I get a chance (and a carb kit) I'll check the carb and fuel pump.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2013, 05:36:59 PM »
I will heed the words...
Thank you from the bottom of my oil cooler...
When I get a chance (and a carb kit) I'll check the carb and fuel pump.

Peek down into the top of the carb before you take it off and look for the little brass tube that crosses over about half way . This is the spray jet. Pull the throttle lever and see if there is a stream of gas spraying STRAIGHT down  ENGINE NOT RUNNING OF COURSE. All you have to do is take the air cleaner off to do this. Use a flashlight if you can't see down in there.  No spray= hesitation.   Keep us posted

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Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2013, 08:53:40 PM »
I have tried this and there is a spray of gas from the tube when I open the throttle by hand. In fact, I can cause a spray of gas several times.
My car does sometimes sputter or cough even when cruising at a steady speed. Typically at or around 55 mph running along hwy 153 to and from work. Generally just a cough or two.
At idle the engine sounds happy. When accelerating, at mid-range rpm's the engine often has a vibration or shaking feeling that wasn't present before. As I increase the throttle opening, the coughing may or may not continue, but once the pedal is on the floor the engine revs normally. Or at least as far as I can tell. Once the revs rise the engine sounds fine once again.
I plan to go thru the carb, clean it and rebuild it with fresh gaskets. I'm wondering if the float might be leaking and causing an over-rich mixture.
I think I'll also inspect the fuel pump for clogs. While I'm at it, it's time for the valves to be checked, too.
I also thought the plug wires might be breaking down and crossfiring.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 08:17:06 AM »
I have tried this and there is a spray of gas from the tube when I open the throttle by hand. In fact, I can cause a spray of gas several times.
My car does sometimes sputter or cough even when cruising at a steady speed. Typically at or around 55 mph running along hwy 153 to and from work. Generally just a cough or two.
At idle the engine sounds happy. When accelerating, at mid-range rpm's the engine often has a vibration or shaking feeling that wasn't present before. As I increase the throttle opening, the coughing may or may not continue, but once the pedal is on the floor the engine revs normally. Or at least as far as I can tell. Once the revs rise the engine sounds fine once again.
I plan to go thru the carb, clean it and rebuild it with fresh gaskets. I'm wondering if the float might be leaking and causing an over-rich mixture.
I think I'll also inspect the fuel pump for clogs. While I'm at it, it's time for the valves to be checked, too.
I also thought the plug wires might be breaking down and crossfiring.
Float leak would be rare. If you have the original type plug wires with the hard connecters at the plug end, you could check the resistance . Should be about 10,000 ohms. Those bakelite connectors have a resistor in them. The hotter they get the more they try to break down. No carbon thread wires please.Copper if possible. I'm still guessing a carb. thing. Online repairs can be problematic sometimes  ;D

Offline Got Bug ?

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Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2013, 05:20:20 PM »
The wires are Bosch, but replaced about 1+ year ago. It does seem to be worse when the engine is warmed up fully. Cold running is much better. Maybe I need a new set of wires. I think I'll try that first.
Did you say, "online repairs can be problematic sometimes"?
You've never seen my on-driveway repairs evidently!!!
Thanks again for your help!

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2013, 10:28:06 PM »
The wires are Bosch, but replaced about 1+ year ago. It does seem to be worse when the engine is warmed up fully. Cold running is much better. Maybe I need a new set of wires. I think I'll try that first.
Did you say, "online repairs can be problematic sometimes"?
You've never seen my on-driveway repairs evidently!!!
Thanks again for your help!
;D ;D You don't have lock on that. ;D

Offline ASBug

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Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2013, 10:32:27 PM »
Float leak would be rare.
I am the only person I know that has had that.
Gas would get into the float and then it would flood.
Was cool, yoiu could see the gas inside the float...
KC

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2013, 01:04:14 PM »
Float leak would be rare.
I am the only person I know that has had that.
Gas would get into the float and then it would flood.
Was cool, yoiu could see the gas inside the float...
KC
You are also the only Dude who could see the gas inside a VW carb float. Wow !! What a talent there Superman. :o :o

Offline ASBug

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Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2013, 03:30:14 PM »
XRay Vision man.
Get with the program!
Geeshe....
KC

Offline Ret.Bugtech

Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2013, 03:11:31 PM »
XRay Vision man.
Get with the program!
Geeshe....
KC
I am with the program. Thats the reason that I can see right through you. 8) 8)
« Last Edit: February 16, 2013, 03:18:04 PM by Ret.Bugtech »

Offline Got Bug ?

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Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2013, 10:20:01 PM »
I sort of promised myself I would update on this coughing/missing/sputtering/whatever problem as I went along just in case anybody was interested...so here goes.
I put some "heet" gas additive in the tank. Didn't help. Don't know why I thought it would since the gas I'm running is 10% alcohol anyway.
So, I'm driving it daily, cough and all and a few days ago the brake pedal went to the floor.  So...I can't really add anything to the coughing solution until I fix the brakes.
I see new wheel cylinders and brake shoes in my future.
And a cold butt from sitting in the driveway putting them on.
And a little cussing, some wrench-throwing and maybe a war-dance or two.
Kinda like a broadway show about a shadetree mechanic.....

Offline ASBug

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Re: 63 with a cough

« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 10:53:56 PM »
I hope the brake problem is in the front or you will need a torque buddy to help you...
rear axle nuts are on at ~300 ft. Lbs.
KC

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