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Offline ASBug

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1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« on: January 28, 2008, 08:58:59 PM »
New Guy here,
Have a good bodied '72 autostick beetle, replaced all the vaccume hoses electric valve, and vaccume actuator.  Clutch no worky worky....  I even reset the throwout bearing actuator arm all the way back for maximum stroke and rachetted it forward.  Still will not engage gear when motor is running.  I have gotten it into reverse and low if I almost stall the engine and minor grind it into position.  I cannot seem to get it to break loose from the flywheel.  Is there a way to chek this thing out w/o pulling the engine and torque converter.
I have enjoyed reading the posts over the last few weeks while my account was being sorted out.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 12:43:56 AM »
I'm not sure what you mean by adjusting the T.O. arm back and rachetted the arm forward. There is no adjustment to mess with on the arm at the tranny. The only thing you can adjust is the length of the rod between the arm and the servo.If you moved the arm on the shaft that comes out of the top of the tranny, You screwed up. Put it back where it was if you can.  Is the servo that  the arm is connected to good ?  Are the points in the shift lever good and the wire not broken (common problem )

Offline ASBug

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1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 12:49:19 PM »
Thanks for the info, but I guess I just will have to pull the engine.
I adjusted and adjusted and set and reset.... I am of the opinion (for what it's worth) that it is either jammed by something in the housing, or the clutch is rusted to the flywheel on the back of the torque converter.  I have repared the wire in the shifter, I have replaced the sylinoid and the vaccume actuator and all hoses.  Arm actuates when I push on shifter.

I guess my next question is:  Do I have to pull the tranie to get the Torque Converter and the clutch out?

Car sat since 1986, 9 outside (early), 12 or so inside (late).  Body is nice and tight,  and oil pressure light goes out after 2 turnovers, starts good, doesn't smoke and is an AE block 1600 DP.  
I am also going to need a new muffler. - Anyone got a cheep used one?

I still have a lot to get it roadworthy, but would like to get it up and going before BAP X.  
Has GOBS more room than my other aircooled car a 1972 Honda Coupe.
That thing is tiny!!!!
Take Care,
KCandtheZ

Offline Ret.Bugtech

1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2008, 02:55:26 PM »
Can you drive the car ?   If you can, cram it into "Drive-2 and drive it around for awhile until it gets warmed up real good, all the while trying to shift gears but not enough to pull it out of gear. If the clutch disc is stuck to the pressure plate(and it could be) a lot of times it will break loose. I have done that trick a lot of times and it worked on trannys that have been sitting around for a while. Do this before you pull the engine and tranny out. Do †hi You might get lucky.
     If you have to pull the engine and the tranny out and you haven't done this before, get some help.  They are nowhere as easy as a 4 speed  to pull and you can end up tearing something up or get hurt.
     The clutch is not on the torque conv. The conv. is bolted to the engine "Flex plate and you have take 4 bolts out before taking any engine mounting bolts out . You can slip conv. off the tranny after the engine is removed. Then pull the tranny. The tranny bellhousing has to be removed to get to the clutch. YOU CAN NOT DO ANY OF  THIS with the tranny still in the car.  
      Are you sure you want to tackle this ?   This is serious work and not much fun.  If you have to replace anything you had better locate all the parts up front. That stuff is rare and costly. You can convert it to a 4 speed if you car has a clutch cable tube in the tunnel. Some did.

Offline ASBug

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1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 12:21:34 PM »
Hi,
Zen to the rescue!  I think Zen may have a complete Autostick that I can clean up and prepare if I cannot get my clutch to pop loose.  
I hope to come to the cruise in, but I won't be in my VW....
I look forward to meeting with everyone.\
Wish me luck with the clutch, it doesn't sound like alot of fun to pull this engine....
Thanks,
KC

Offline ASBug

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Autostick not stuck any more!!!

« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2008, 12:31:37 PM »
Thanks! Thanks! Thanks!
Spent the morning on Saturday resetting the throw out arm and vaccume actuator to the factory specs.  Disconnected the neutral start switch and drove it around in the yard for a few seconds and presto! the clutch is working again!!!  It is shifting well.  

-Even a blind hog finds an acorn sometimes....

Now for the fun stuff, Like I said it is a '72 Bug Autostick, I looked in the manual and it states that in 1970 and 1975 the autosticks were timmed at TDC (0deg).  That seems to be the case for me since there is only the one big notch on my pulley.  I lined the mark up with the split and rotated the distributor untill the mark lined up with the center of the rotor button.  I set the points as per the manual, and the thing is a beast to start...  It is acting like it is getting too much gas, Have to hold the throttle wide open and it catches up and starts. Smells like it is flooding too.  The P.O. loosened the distributor hold down so the first time I went to start it I rotated the distributor.... Any way How does one hook up an inductive timming light to this beast with the battery under the back seat?  I haven't tested the length of the leeds on my timing gun, but I don't believe that they are long enough....

I still cannot get it to idle.  I sprayed a large amount of WD-40 on the intake rubber sleeves and it didn't run any better.  I have new rubber for the intakes, but just do not want to pull them If I do not need to....

I have basically no muffler and that is my next purchase/install.  Any reccomendations about them?

I appreciate all the help...
KC

Offline Ret.Bugtech

1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2008, 03:21:24 PM »
OK !     If you have only one mark on the pulley on the outside rim and NO marks on the inner rim, this mark would be "0" degrees. I take it that the timing light you are using does not have a advance knob on the grip. If this is the case, measure 2" from the one mark you have to the right (clockwise) and make a mark on the pulley. This would be real close to 32 degrees and would be total advance with the engine running at about 1800-2000 rpm.  You can hook your light to the 12v (ign.) term. on your coil.  Start the engine, rev it up to about 1800 rpm, pull the trigger and see where the new mark ends up. It needs to be on the split on the crankcase at speed. To heck where it idles if the dist.advance is operating as it should. The mark should move when you accel. If it doesn't ,you may have a problem with the dist.
     As far as the idle problem, there is a slew of things that can cause that.  You have a "solinoid" on the side of the carb also with a 12v wire to it . Turn just the ing.on and pull the wire on and off. You should hear it click.

Offline ASBug

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1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2008, 10:06:30 PM »
Thanks bugteck, I really appreciated the encouragement about the clutch.  My big notch on the pulley is on the inside edge right next to the engine case, not on the outside edge.  I'll check 2" or so amd see if I missed a mark, but i steel brushed the whole area to see if I missed anything, and didn't notice it.  
About the muffler, is there away to put on a new one w/o pulling the engine?
Do you have any reccomendations to manufacters?   Is it worth getting someone else to do it.  Does any one on the list do mufflers?
I also seem to have a leak (small) that I believe is comming from the push rod tube.  I haven't removed the tin to look where it is comming from, but it is in that general area.  So far it appears to have leaked about 1 drop for 5 minutes of run time....
I will post a list of what I need on the classifieds, but just wanted to say thanks.
Have a great day,
KC

Offline Ret.Bugtech

1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2008, 08:23:14 AM »
You can install a muff. without pulling the engine.  Be very careful with the four 13mm nuts at the heads. Soak them down good. If they still  don't move, leave them tight and wack them on one of the flats with a flat nose punch. Most of the time they come off. If not , chisel time. Its not fun drilling out "rung off" exhaust port studs.
     Buy the best muffler you can afford and get the mounting kit with it. You will maybe get a year out of cheap mufflers.
     If you can wait, I would hold off buying a muff. until BP-10. We have a lot of good vendors show up and you might do better on the prices.

Offline ASBug

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1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 02:43:29 PM »
Thanks again!!
Put a paint dab 2" away from my TDC mark and set the timming with the engine at the mentioned RPM.  It is idling now.  although I didn't hear a click when I pulled off the hot wire from the sylinoid on carb.  I did see a spark as I went to reattach the wire though.  I will have someone check the timing before I really start to drive it.  I'll try to source a socket for the nuts, although I have heard that they will still be a pain to remove....
The car is a little difficult at times to get into "1"  not "L" but "1".  It is like I cannot find it, about the time I was woried about it it started going in again.....I will have to get that 20 yr old oil out of the trannie before I start driving it....
Any way, I was looking at the bolts for the muffler and it loos like one of the bolt heads is already broken off.  Note I said head, I can still see the shaft of the bolt flush with the flange on the muffler mount.  

If I understood correctly, If the bolt doesn't just unscrew easily, I should pop off the head in order to save the shaft so as to get a paitr of vice grips or so on it to get more leverage?
Do I understand correctly?
I appreciate it.
KC
I plan on posting photos of the AStick tonight or tommorow.

Offline Ret.Bugtech

1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2008, 03:42:38 PM »
NO NO NO,  Do not pop the head off the stud/nut.   If the 13mm nut does not come off , leave tighten , if it moved a couple of rounds and locked down, tighten it back up. Soak it down and take a flat nose punch (1/4") and "rap" a pretty good lick on one of the flats on the 13mm nut. You may have to do this several times to break it loose.   Its just next to impossible to back a "rung off" stud out with vice gripes. You will more than likey have to grind the stud level with the head and drill it out keeping it centered .  This not any fun at all. SO DO NOT BREAK ANY STUDS OFF if you can help it.
       Is the tranny grinding when you are going to DR-1 ?

Offline ASBug

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1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2008, 12:18:25 PM »
Hey,
No, the trannie isn't grinding, it is just like the slot for the engagement of the gear wasn't there.  Then, presto, it was.....wierd.  I hope that when it has the newer oil in the crankcase and trannie, that it'll work better

Offline ASBug

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1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2008, 10:19:54 AM »
Update,
Got 2 NEW (ouch.) Heads from Lamar in Dalton.  Engine is being reassembled tonight, new tubes and seals as well. We flushed the oil cooler, full of old oil, but no gunk.  Tin has been sandblasted and has been primered and 2 coats of rustolium currently.  I have replaced all the rubber, pads, springs and cylinders in the brakes.  

Now the questions:

I have a 1972 AE block Auto Stick Beetle:
What ATF fluid do I use? (the filler cap has the very descriptive "ATF fluid only")
Is there some seal treatment I should put into the ATF?
Is there an bennifit to adding an external cooler to the ATF lines?
What Gear Oil should I use in the Trans?
Any particular grade & Manufacturer of oil I should use?
Going to put new plugs in, any suggestions?
Wires and points are only 3 years old and have less than 3 hrs of run time on them.

I can see a light at the end of the tunnell....Go to the light, go to the light....
Thanks,
KC

Offline Ret.Bugtech

1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2008, 10:57:36 AM »
Use ATF with Dextron in the Tank.    Use 80-90 standard gear lube in the tranny. You can use any good major brand.  I don't think you would need any aux. oil coolers unless you are going to jerk a big trailer around or trying to run up Pikes Peak in top gear. VW issued a bulletin along time ago to use all gears or at least Drive -2 when starting off on level ground. They were frying torque converter seals much less overheating the engine enough to blow the cly heads off or strip the crankcase cly head studs out of the case on the earler models.  This is one reason VW started to use "steel case savers" .   Your AE case has them installed from the factory.
     Do not overfill.

Offline Bugnut

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1972 autostick's stuck any ideas?

« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2008, 01:45:27 PM »
As for your exhast question ,dont buy empi it wont last long at all. If all else fails go stock german. If ya want somethin decent the ceramic coted or stainless setups are nice. You'll get what ya paid for in the end. So if ya dont want to dish out $500 or more just go stock and save the agrevation.

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