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091 transmission adjusting ring removal tool?

« on: January 13, 2007, 01:24:37 PM »
I need to replace the oil seals in the adjusting rings on my '78 bus' transmission.  Lots and lots of transmission oil being slung from the inboard CV joint on the driver's side.  When I took the axle off on that side, the sealing cap fell out and the CV joint grease was thinned out beyond belief.  
Just going out on a limb here before I start whacking them with a BFH and a drift...anyone have access to an adjusting ring removal/installation tool VW 231/15?  Joe at Tri-State Imports said I can replace the seals without removing the adjusting rings, but the gasket kit comes with the O-rings that go on the outside of the adjusting rings...why not replace them as well while I'm at it?
I know the process of taking the adjusting rings out and putting them back in.  Someone has already done me the service of marking the rings and case...I just have to count the revolutions it takes to get them out and put them back in the same amount of revolutions (or measure the depth with micrometer).  But I would like to do it without slipping up and marring the area where the adjusting ring lockplate sits.

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091 transmission adjusting ring removal tool?

« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2007, 01:23:03 PM »
Is there anything that I need to beware of or be cautious of if I remove the flange rings (adjusting rings, in the Bentley) to replace the oil seals if the transmission is still on the bus? Will the differential move out of place enough to have to reset anything?

I know that the bearing race on the adjusting ring rides on the bearing that is on the differential shaft (the one that the flanges go on)? I ask because I cannot get that oil seal out with a seal removal tool. I think I have to press it out. While trying to get the seal out with the seal removal tool, all I'm accomplishing is destroying the seal and rotating the adjusting ring. The rings have been removed in the past because they are already marked on the case and ring where they line up (two marks on driver's side and one mark on passenger side).

And...what is Moly Kote? Auto parts stores here have no idea either. Is there a suitable alternative? Bentley says to "coat the threads of the adjusting ring that go into the case with Moly Kote".

Thanks for any and all help.

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091 transmission adjusting ring removal tool?

« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2007, 11:25:53 PM »
Alright, Travis, here's what I do know:  When the Bentley manual is referring to "Moly-Kote" they are basically referring to a moly-based grease.  What comes to my mind is the current engine assembly lube that you can buy from most part stores.  most of these are molybdenum(sp?) based greases.  Engine lube is good because it forms a cushion that eventually goes away (the gear lube will take it from there)  Moly-based wheel bearing grease, however does not, so stay away from the high-temp stuff, again it's just for assembly purposes that you would be using it.  I'm paranoid so I use this stuff when assembling the current model manual transaxles, (albeit very sparingly)  I also use it when building engines.  I know David used to always assemble engines with regular old motor oil, the transaxles got the gear oil treatment.  He was never real big on the assembly lube thing.  As to what to be careful about, I'd think if you're doing one side at a time, you shouldn't lose any sort of alignment, but I've honestly never torn into one of the late model bus transaxles.  The only bus transmissions I've done any sort of teardown/repair work were all swing axles, so I can't offer much help there.  If the flanges are spring loaded, I have a tool that is actually made for a1, a2, a3 model water-cooled cars that preloads the flanges so you can remove/install the center retaining bolts.  Again, I remember replacing the center caps inside the flange on my '70 bus 12+ years ago, but those justed popped out and back in.  I did use a seal removal tool (the old school hook type) after tapping a hole that I could use to pry them out with.  That fun little chore I did without having to remove the flanges themselves.

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091 transmission adjusting ring removal tool?

« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 03:17:54 AM »
On the 091, what the CV joint is attached to is called the flange.  The flange is splined to go on the differential output shaft.  There is a center cap that has to come out before getting to the lock ring that holds the flange onto the differential shaft.  The older Bay Bus transmissions have adjusting rings that are held into the case by nuts and bolts and the adjustment for the bearings are adjusted by spacers.  This may be true for Beetles as well.  The newer adjusting rings are threaded and screw in and out to adjust the bearings on the output shaft.  The outer race for the differential bearing is on one side of the adjusting ring (inside) and the oil seal is on the other (outside).

HERE is a picture of the 091 differential parts.

Wish I had the book that picture came from!

(Listen to me...spewing information like I actually know something about it!)

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