'65 Euro Bug Rag / Techie questions...

ASBug · « **on:** February 18, 2010, 12:08:11 PM »

Update 22 Feb-2010:
This little bestie is needing more than Link pins so I recycled this topic.
I'm all into saving the enviroment....
KC

Looking at a '65 with no engine, PO states that it was driven to where it is now, but front end is sloppy and king pins need to be replaced.
Questions are:
-Could it be towed about 1 hr on highways with a beetle tow bar if the bearings check out etc...
-Who (locally) reems and replaces Link pins?

Ride looks good from the photos that I have gotten and I plan on taking $'s and at least the tow bar and some good rubber for it on Saturday.

Let me know in that I'll need to get a dolly if the worn link pins are a serious issue.
-Zen, you ready for another road trip? :lol:
KC

Ret.Bugtech · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2010, 07:24:18 PM »

KC, I can do your link/ king pins. You take them off the car . Take them off by taking the 17mm bolt off on the torsion bar and drive them out with a hammer Do not take the pins out of the link as they hold the shims for camber adj.
You buy the the parts and I can install them for $60.00 and hand them back to ready to go.

Ret.Bugtech · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2010, 07:24:50 PM »

Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"

KC, I can do your link/ king pins. You take them off the car . Take them off by taking the 17mm bolt off on the torsion bar and drive them out with a hammer Do not take the pins out of the link as they hold the shims for camber adj.
You buy the the parts and I can install them for $60.00 and hand them back ready to go.

ASBug · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2010, 08:08:01 PM »

Thanks David,
Looks like you'll be doing some link pin work if the beetle is as nice as it looks in the photos.
So, if the bearings look up to it and the brakes are not dragging, could I flat tow it?
Also, just found out that the engine is still in it and I can drive it around in the yard to check everything out before I buy it, is there any trans checks I can do?
I plan on checking to see if it pops out of reverse, and if the shifter is tight / sloppy, but is there any thing else? All the power supposidly has been converted over to 12V, it has a higher displacement DP engine, and I am assuming that means that the trannie has ben ground out for the 12v starter and flywheel. Any easy way to check to see if this has been done?

Thanks,
KC

certdubtech · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2010, 06:16:34 AM »

Look for grinding / filing evidence particularly where the bolts run through the transaxle bellhousing. :wink:

Ret.Bugtech · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2010, 07:58:26 AM »

Quote from: "certdubtech"

Look for grinding / filing evidence particularly where the bolts run through the transaxle bellhousing. :wink:[/quot Some of those late 1200 tranny's didn't need to be cut. Most that I have seen were the late '65's models. I have one of those in my T-82e project.

ASBug · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2010, 09:45:50 AM »

Can a 6V flywheel be bolted onto a later 1600 crank?

Also, can I flat tow a car with sloppy link pins?
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
KC

Ret.Bugtech · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2010, 11:26:30 AM »

Yes but why ? 180mm v 200mm , smaller clutch and they will slip if you jump on it. If your car has a 12V starter you would have to go back to a 6V due to the amount of teeth on the flywheels are different. They don't mesh. The starter bush. in the tranny bell housing are diff. If your car is running a 12V system already ,don't worry about it.
If your car has tires that hold air and the wheel brgs. seem OK and the steering moves You could tow it to Alaska. Thats the great thing about link/king pins. They can flop around but won't "Toss a Shoe" like a ball joint front axle.
:lol: :lol:

ASBug · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2010, 12:45:29 PM »

That was what I wanted to know.
If the starter is 12V then it has the larger flywheel.
I know you can run a 6v starter on 12 v, I have done it before on 50's chevys...
So if the starter is 12v then I am good to go!
KC

certdubtech · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2010, 01:34:06 PM »

Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"

to the amount of teeth on the flywheels are different. They don't mesh. The starter bush. in the tranny bell housing are diff. If your car is running a 12V system already ,don't worry about it.

I believe the Godfather's point is that is That's the key thing. It will work briefly, but it will tear up the starter teeth, the flywheel teeth, or both.

ASBug · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2010, 09:41:17 AM »

I understood his posting,
When I went to look at the engine on saterday, it had a 12V starter on it so life is good. PO Pulled engine on Saturday arrpond 4pm, so it was back to Cartersville for a pull back to Varnel.

It appears that I have a 1965 Euro with a Rag top.
I do not know if the rag is OEM. The PO stated that his PO bought it from a PO who thought that it was grafted in although I cannot find any evidence of this. I have had Zen look at it and if it is grafted, they took their time and cut out the inner workings of the donner car as well as the external skin of the pillar posts and re crimped the edging along the rain gutter.

I am going with the "it's grafted in verry well" thought process now, but the fact that it is a Euro Spec model means that it could have had a rag through 1967.

It doesn't have a '63 assembly in it in that the handle is a chromed ice pick looking one instead of the '63 foldable plastic one. it also has an aluminum short rail instead of the platic short rail that was standard in '63 or the all aluminum 1 piece that came late in '63 (all these '63 specs are for US only and were sourced from the samba.)

Meanwhile accross the pond in europe, the non deluxe (or rag) top's continued untill 1967 as they had in the US up to '62. (samba)

So there is the possibility that the beetle I had started off as a true '65 Rag.
I am in need of some front and rear fenders as well as the early light assemblies.

KC

ASBug · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2010, 11:48:35 AM »

Quote from: "Ret.Bugtech"

Quote from: "certdubtech"
Look for grinding / filing evidence particularly where the bolts run through the transaxle bellhousing. :wink:[/quot Some of those late 1200 tranny's didn't need to be cut. Most that I have seen were the late '65's models. I have one of those in my T-82e project.

The Vin on the '65 is 115 75######
So I'm thinking that this is a late one.
I saw no signs of a clearanced bellhousing.

My front beam is going to need some love.
I am also going to need to get some love for the passenger's front spindle. Havent pulled it yet, but the outter bearing failed and allowed the hub to move out about 2 inches. I probably would have lost the wheel if the front hadn't been lowered and the fender held the tire/wheel inside... :shock:

Any way, I'm going to check with my source for a used front complete beam and some fenders for this beast.
Take care.
KC

certdubtech · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2010, 12:16:42 PM »

I've got some link pin spindles in the shed, I think. I have them left over from several sets of dropped spindles that i have done. If you need one, let me know, I'll see if i can dig one out for you. :wink:

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